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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks, Keith, I like this better. (The change from “among” to “between” is still wrong, though.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Scott, Keith L. [mailto:kscott@mitre.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 2, 2014 8:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Burleigh, Scott C (312G); sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Proposed RID resolutions to LTP Book<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Scott,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">OK, I may have gone a bit over. I agree with you that I thought all of the material in the proposed resolutions was implied by the rest of the book, but I
also agree with Gian-Paolo that if we can add some clarity for explicitness, that can’t hurt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">I am concerned with your comment regarding the ‘An LTP implementation could be written…’ bullet. I think what I’d like to propose is the following resolution
that *<b>leaves off</b>* the notion that one could build an entire LTP implementation that stuck with only one outstanding red-part. If the RIDder really feels strongly about it we can re-introduce the text of the ‘LTP implementation’ bullet (modified version
below the word snippet).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">Proposed third NOTE bullet *<b>if necessary</b>*:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A">An LTP implementation could be written to maintain order between the red parts of different LTP blocks by limiting the number of concurrent outstanding
LTP blocks to one. While such an implementation would be conformant, it would probably have adverse impact on performance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#44546A"> --keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Burleigh, Scott C (312G) [<a href="mailto:scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov">mailto:scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott, Keith L.; <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Proposed RID resolutions to LTP Book<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Keith, if you think we have to say this sort of thing to get the book published, well, I can live with it. But it’s unfortunate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t see any reason to make the first change shown here. The original text is correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The first bullet under NOTES is correct, and I don’t object strongly to inserting it. It should be obvious to anyone who has read
the document, but maybe it’s not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m fine with removing the “For real-time commanding” text as shown in the second bullet, but the text replacing the word “order” is
(I think) more confusing than what was originally written. At minimum, let’s delete the “red parts of” text from that revision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The text in the third bullet is true, I guess, but I see no benefit in inserting it. The most that could accomplish would be the development
of an extremely poor-performing LTP implementation that, when well publicized, will provide convincing evidence that LTP is a lousy protocol.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The fourth bullet is okay, but I think a better approach would be a NOTE replacing the second and third bullets that says something
like “If your LTP-based application requires in-order delivery of service data units, consider using the delay-tolerant payload conditioning (DTPC) service of the Bundle Protocol.” Everything else we’re saying here amounts to hitching a snowplow to a motorcycle.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:sis-dtn-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott, Keith L.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 01, 2014 11:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org">sis-dtn@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sis-dtn] Proposed RID resolutions to LTP Book<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We got a RID asking for clarification of the ‘in-order-delivery’ mechanisms available in LTP. I’m proposing to update section 2.3.2 to the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Does anybody see any issues here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> --keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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