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<div id="AppleMailSignature">What you described in your second paragraph is EXACTLY what is proposed.  And we'll leave the MACAO registries in place, as MACAO org.  You guys can adopt the common ones when you are ready.  We thinks that's probably a pink sheet
 change of a few lines of text unless you want to extract all the registry stuff and just point to our new one.</div>
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<div id="AppleMailSignature">Peter <br>
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<div>Everything should be made as simple as possible, </div>
<div>but not simpler.  </div>
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<div>~Albert Einstein</div>
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On Nov 12, 2015, at 9:18 AM, John Garrett <<a href="mailto:garrett@his.com">garrett@his.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Took a very quick look at the other book and noticed that there were many mentions of MACAO and rules about them.  Also seems to be details of other registries. 
 I think this is a totally wrong approach.  This is sort of like Social Security trying to define requirements for taxes or health information systems because SSN is used for an identifier in those places.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I understood that SANA would be defining general registries such as (distributed) organization registry and person registry.  Then my MACAO BB could require that
 our users first register their organization in the SANA organization registry and get an ID affiliated with that registration.  Then my standard would specify how that organization ID fit into my needs for my registry.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Garrett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 11, 2015 8:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Shames, Peter M (312B)' <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>; 'SEA-XSG' <<a href="mailto:sea-xsg@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-xsg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [SEA-XSG] XML Standards and Guidelines (XSG) combined with SSG, Thursday, 12 Nov, Argentum room, 2.06, from 1430-1600<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I don’t expect to make it to the meeting due to other scheduled meetings.  Also since we are just receiving these documents, I haven’t been able to provide a
 sufficient review.  I provide some comments now and will try to review it more once I return home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">First comment is in regards to inserting these items into the SAWG.  My personal preference would be that they two efforts be kept separate.  I think combining
 them will make scheduling to accommodate other meetings even harder and it will become even harder to contribute to either one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">A procedural comment to keep in mind for future updates is to show the updates.  That way I could have concentrated my review time to spend more time reviewing
 the updated sections.  By the way, is there a Word version of the current issue 1 SANA – Roles and Responsibilities available?  If so, I could possibly to a compare to get that info.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Now for some comments on updated draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Page ii – Delete. This is a extra Forward page<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Page iv – Document Control – Should status list updates made?  I think most books do so, but I’m not sure what is proper to do according to Pubs Manual.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section 1.6 – conventions and definitions   - suggest name be changed.  Doesn’t seem to describe any conventions used in the book. Perhaps rename to Terminology
 as in other CCSDS documents. glossary has not been alphabetized.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Several places (e.g. Section 3.4 in Traceability bullet) talk about standards track documents – since these YBs are not standards track documents, but they are
 now creating and providing details of registries, different or additional wording may be needed.  Or should tht restriction be changed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section 3.6 – CESG relationship – I prefer the original version of this section.  Some problems with updates is I think WGs should be specifying what is needed
 in their books.  SANA operator should just be implementing what is requested not making a determination of what should be done.  I also think CESG should not have its options to decide things restricted as in the Note.  Perhaps that is the normal situation,
 but CESG should have power to make exceptions if they so desire.  Also I think notification of SANA should be automated part of submission to CESG for approval.  I also think that Red Book review should be able to go forward before SANA actually creates the
 registry.  As long as they have the info they need, it should be OK.  We don’t need another thing to slow down the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section 3.8 – SANA Considerations – again I prefer the original and I do not like the updates.  Having different requirements for what is in draft documents and
 final documents will cause problems.  This will mean that extra efforts will be needed both by WG, by the CCSDS Editor, and by the SANA operator to ensure that correct changes are made between the draft document and the final document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also I’m not sure why user guidance is included in the SANA Considerations section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section 3.9 Second paragraph – change “protocol writers” to “document editors”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Also I’m concerned that a whole new document of rules for a WG is being created.  There are already many requirements being inflicted on the WG.  I am concerned
 that if the policies cannot be included in this document, then perhaps there are too many or too complicated to actually use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Section 3.10 – SANA now exists.  Should probably remove text referring to creation of SANA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Why can’t an Orange Book specify a register?  I prefer the original where a CCSDS approved document can specify a registry. This was consistent in original document. 
 Proposed updates here are inconsistent with CCSDS approved documents mentioned in other sections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Talk about re-use of registries should be general and not specific mentions of specific registries (especially ones that do not yet exist) should be here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">MACAO update will use SANA registries if they support the functionality required and if we continue to require those items in the MACAO registration.  As we’ve
 discussed, we will likely drop the need to register some of the items now required.  WG should decide whether to use SANA registries.  If WG decides not to use SANA registries, CESG should evaluate reasons and approve it or not.  Hopefully SANA registries
 will be implemented well and WGs will want to use them and not be forced to use something they feel doesn’t meet their needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Annex A: Eliminate.  This is incorrect since most of these are already SANA registries. There is no longer a need for  a list of candidate registries.  SANA already
 provides a list of registries that it supports.  This list is an excellent example of something that could be in a registry to prevent the need to update the document whenever a change is made to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">From the quick review, I’m not sure if this document is requiring any registries.  If so, I think this document should take its own medicine and include an actual
 SANA Considerations section.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ll probably have more later, but it is late now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Live, Laugh, Love, and Work for Peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> [</span><a href="mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:sea-xsg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shames, Peter M (312B)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SEA-XSG <</span><a href="mailto:sea-xsg@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">sea-xsg@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [SEA-XSG] XML Standards and Guidelines (XSG) combined with SSG, Thursday, 12 Nov, Argentum room, 2.06, from 1430-1600<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear XSG members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">We nominally have a SEA-XSG meeting scheduled for Thursday afternoon.   Because there is no ability in the scheduling system to indicate two different 1-2 hour
 meetings both the SANA Steering Group (SSG) and the XSG are shown as separate meetings and in their own meeting rooms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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  I have to do the Boot Camp from 1330-1430 or I would have started earlier.   The focus of the agenda will primarily be the SANA re-engineering topics, relating to the proposed re-work of the SANA registries.  You are welcome to join us for this discussion.
  The documents are attached.  You will see that the XML registries in the SANA are a topic of interest, so it may pay to attend.  See attached SANA documents (revised YB and new RMP) to see what is being proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The primary XSG specific topic that I am aware of is that the CCSDS URN RFC has been aproved by the IETF and is now awaiting final tech editor processing.  This
 is extremely good news.  If there are other topics that should be addressed at this meeting please bring then up now.  If needed we will schedule a splinter session on Wed or Thursday to address them.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think you should all be aware that we are proposing to wrap this XSG work into the SEA SAWG that is being re-started.   I do think that we will still need something
 like an XML expert group to coordinate changes to the XML registries, so the XSG in something like its present form and membership may persist.  Comments on all of this are welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 10, 2015 at 5:01 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>(Forward to others) WebEx meeting invitation: SANA Steering Group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4D4D4D">Shames Peter invites you to join this WebEx meeting.
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4D4D4D">SANA Steering Group</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4D4D4D">
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