<html><head></head><body><div class="ydp19524823yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div id="ydp19524823yiv7726853782"><div><span>if anyone would like to formally collaborate with my university, please contact me offline. My work will be involving and aiming to contribute to ccsds vis my specialty. for a forthcoming paper on some of it, contact me.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Well, any time in the last few years that i provided input or mentioned the topic, you minimized it. If the topic is not of interest, no problem. Its certainly not applicable or useful in all situations. But respectfully, <span>mentioning a disadvantaged position, namely funding, </span>is a bit backhandedly putting more barriers on involvement. So might i kindly suggest that rather than saying thst, it would be more constructive to facilitate or encourage formal collaborations in, among or via the team. Im sure those who have had career success ornwho are on the clock in some way doing these activities may find value it that mutually beneficial and uplifting effort since were all on this same project.</div><div><br></div><div>circling back, since you mentioned the intology in last email, i’m reiterating the value of having someone in the team with that focus. </div><div><br></div><div>All, as ive mentioned in the last few years, anyone please contact me to help with any ontology related things if youre going to work on it. <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yahoo-style-wrap"><div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547signature"><div style="font-size:13px;font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;"><br></div></div></div><div><br clear="none"></div>
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On Thursday, 11 July 2024 at 07:38:40 am AEST, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Hi Robert,</span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Happy to have you provide whatever ontology feedback you can. I understand that you have a useful background, but that you do not have funding, so that may prove to be an impediment to progress.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">As for AI, I agree that this whole field is still in a state of ferment and that there are potential issues, ethical, “hallucinatory”, and otherwise. That said, we are not going to do a treatise on the subject.
What we plan to do is to acknowledge that AI system essentially constitute a specialized set of repositories and specialized “data product” engines. We are thinking we will do something similar, but focused on the deployment aspects, with cloud and containerization.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Cheers, Peter</span></p>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Sea-sa] [EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning</span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On Tuesday, July 9, 2024 at 07:54:59 AM GMT+10, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org> wrote:
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;">Please do check RASIM. We can provide you with the extensions that we think are most needed, which trend into virtualization, web/cloud deployment,
containerization, and the like. We are also talking about beefing up the whole ontology / LLM aspect. A certain amount of this is less to do with info arch and more to do with deployment patterns, but we think it is useful to discuss those trends.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;">Those two diagrams were intended to sketch this out. Does this make sense to you?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 8, 2024 at 2:09</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:sans-serif;color:black;"> </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black;">PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br clear="none">
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<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: RASIM update planning</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;">Hi Peter</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;">Thanks for the invitation. I can join and I’ll ask other DAI folk. However, I have a regular meeting on Mondays starting 30 mins
after yours, so I may have to duck out for a short time.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2024 5:34 PM<br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#26282A;">I hope all is well with you. Good to see you on the ISO call the other day. You seem to be making progress with the ISO on processes, and
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;">We just had the monthly meeting of the SEA SAWG crew that is focused on architecture. The RASIM is the next major document that the SAWG
is to tackle; we have started to discuss how to make progress on the RASIM updates and think we have identified a person to lead that effort. We discussed these topics, in general, at the last SAWG working meetings.
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;">Is the DAI WG still interested in this? Will you be able to attend the next SAWG meeting, which is scheduled for 12 August at 0700 PDT?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp19524823yiv7726853782ydpb7a39547yiv8979766509ydpb2ba54d0yiv8181507027msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#212121;">I’d like to hear from you and learn if this is of value. We have discussed a couple revisions and some new diagrams. I’ve attached a couple
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