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<p class="MsoNormal">Hey Robert,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’d suggest that you check and/or update your email as registered on the SEA-SA email list. It appears that you are registered as:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/sea-sa/ontologos--at--yahoo.com">ontologos at yahoo.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See attached screenshot of the entry. If you are no longer using or monitoring that email address you will have to go to
<a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org">https://mailman.ccsds.org</a> select the SEA-SA email list, and update your entry with the correct email address.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Robert Rovetto <ontologos@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Robert Rovetto <ontologos@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 10:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Frederick Slane <freds@spacestandards.org>, Ramon Krosley <r.krosley@andropogon.org>, "Radulescu, Costin (US 9300)" <cradule@jpl.nasa.gov>, "christian.sta@googlemail.com" <christian.sta@googlemail.com>, Shelbun Cheng <shelbun.k.cheng@jpl.nasa.gov>,
"PBTHOMPSON@qinetiq.com" <pbthompson@qinetiq.com>, "hexw501@hotmail.com" <hexw501@hotmail.com>, Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, Robert Rovetto <rrovetto@terpalum.umd.edu><br>
<b>Cc: </b>SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Fw: [Sea-sa] Ask the question "define ontology in computer science", and ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Hey all, I don't see the emails (such as the below) reaching the mail list or the ccsds archive of them, so I'm forwarding/re-sending the below again</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Rob</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> Robert Rovetto via SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> Robert Rovetto <rrovetto@terpalum.umd.edu><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 06:22:16 PM GMT+11<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> Re: [Sea-sa] Ask the question "define ontology in computer science",
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I did not receive Peter's email on the sea-sa list, was not cc'd, and I don't see it on the archives yet, so I'll reply to the forwarded message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">FYI: I had two presentations this week in an vocabulary event. Others in CCSDS may have attended, but contact me separately details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">(1) Context</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">: To reiterate, anyone is free to reach out to me for ontology
topics or collaborations. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Since at least 2020 on the e-list and in meetings since I've expressed that. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Again--the topic has been a focus area with special-interest for space (https://purl.org/space-ontology). As a focus area, I can contribute modest knowledge and perspectives.
As a continuing student and relatively-young member of the group, collaborations are needed (contact me for connecting with current supervisor to potentially explore that). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">(2) Input on Peters email</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">A) </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">It's likely that I've met, know, or interacted with the author(s) of a number of
relevant definitions of the term, or i've otherwise ruminated on them.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">B) My living catalog of 'ontology' definitions: <a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/purl.org/*rrovetto/CatalogOntologyDefinitions__;Lw!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!Jj3OCvAFmQDqRwgrghXK4SZW1fTnqaTIPWq9aNqd3jF1w74mkNfCZfHu4fucKVMzxbnKqPKTft6EH_2R8ay2M8K5j38$" target="_blank">https://purl.org//rrovetto/CatalogOntologyDefinitions</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">C) A diagram of an overview of ontology: <a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/github.com/rrovetto/Ontology-Development-Guidelines/blob/master/TheOntologyLandscape.md__;!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!Jj3OCvAFmQDqRwgrghXK4SZW1fTnqaTIPWq9aNqd3jF1w74mkNfCZfHu4fucKVMzxbnKqPKTft6EH_2R8ay2IXfKxP0$" target="_blank">https://github.com/rrovetto/Ontology-Development-Guidelines/blob/master/TheOntologyLandscape.md</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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or 'ontology' may be. Why? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">There are reasons for and against whether even using the word 'ontology' and whether using a particular sense of it for computer science. I can provide both if desired. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">A meta-level consideration I've mentioned here and elsewhere is:</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> whether a
distinction needs to be made at all between these models (conceptual model vs. ontology vs. ...). It may not be needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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not using. And some circles with particularlyl narrow senses of it, may define it relative to a particular language or tool (imho, a mistake). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Shames, Peter M (US 312B)</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:12 AM<br>
Subject: Ask the question "define ontology in computer science", and ...<br>
To: Frederick Slane <<a href="mailto:freds@spacestandards.org" target="_blank">freds@spacestandards.org</a>>, Ramon Krosley <<a href="mailto:r.krosley@andropogon.org" target="_blank">r.krosley@andropogon.org</a>>, Radulescu, Costin (US 9300) <<a href="mailto:cradule@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">cradule@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
Christian Stangl <<a href="mailto:christian.sta@googlemail.com" target="_blank">christian.sta@googlemail.com</a>>, Cheng, Shelbun K (US 312H) <<a href="mailto:shelbun.k.cheng@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">shelbun.k.cheng@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Thompson, Paul B
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Cc: SEA-SA <<a href="mailto:sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I thought this was amusing and informative. I was poking about on the web to find good definitions for “ontology”, “conceptual model”, and related terms that we might want to include
in the RASDS++ update. So I searched for "define ontology in computer science". What came up was a definition that seemed workable, and also some related images that were provided.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">See the attached screen shot. The first image is our existing RASDS ontology diagram, as published in an earlier paper of mine. Our 15 seconds of fame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I did not receive Peter's email on the sea-sa list, was not cc'd, and I don't see it on the archives yet, so I'll reply to the forwarded message.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">FYI: I had two presentations this week in an vocabulary event. Others in CCSDS may have attended, but contact me separately details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">(1) Context</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">: To reiterate, anyone is free to reach out to me for ontology
topics or collaborations. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Since at least 2020 on the e-list and in meetings since I've expressed that. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Again--the topic has been a focus area with special-interest for space (https://purl.org/space-ontology). As a focus area, I can contribute modest knowledge and perspectives.
As a continuing student and relatively-young member of the group, collaborations are needed (contact me for connecting with current supervisor to potentially explore that). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">(2) Input on Peters email</span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">There are reasons for and against whether even using the word 'ontology' and whether using a particular sense of it for computer science. I can provide both if desired. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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distinction needs to be made at all between these models (conceptual model vs. ontology vs. ...). It may not be needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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not using. And some circles with particularlyl narrow senses of it, may define it relative to a particular language or tool (imho, a mistake). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Another consideration is not formally asserting it as a distinct type of model/system, but rather as an activity or process the products/output of which we may then
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Shames, Peter M (US 312B)</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
Date: Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 11:12 AM<br>
Subject: Ask the question "define ontology in computer science", and ...<br>
To: Frederick Slane <<a href="mailto:freds@spacestandards.org" target="_blank">freds@spacestandards.org</a>>, Ramon Krosley <<a href="mailto:r.krosley@andropogon.org" target="_blank">r.krosley@andropogon.org</a>>, Radulescu, Costin (US 9300) <<a href="mailto:cradule@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">cradule@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
Christian Stangl <<a href="mailto:christian.sta@googlemail.com" target="_blank">christian.sta@googlemail.com</a>>, Cheng, Shelbun K (US 312H) <<a href="mailto:shelbun.k.cheng@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">shelbun.k.cheng@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Thompson, Paul B
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Cc: SEA-SA <<a href="mailto:sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Dear RASDS++ colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">I thought this was amusing and informative. I was poking about on the web to find good definitions for “ontology”, “conceptual model”, and related terms that we might want to include
in the RASDS++ update. So I searched for "define ontology in computer science". What came up was a definition that seemed workable, and also some related images that were provided.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">See the attached screen shot. The first image is our existing RASDS ontology diagram, as published in an earlier paper of mine. Our 15 seconds of fame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Cheers, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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