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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Richard,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for taking the time to review this (again). And I am glad that you did not find any major issues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the two points you did raise I think we have a simple way to handle them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Point 1: For the MAL header mapping I'll insert a note to the effect of what you stated. However, for the MAL mapping where the existing spec is followed I believe that it is exactly the case that the specified
MAL to SPP secondary header mapping yields at least a 57 byte header (and <b><i>much</i></b> more if long strings are used in the various variable length identifier fields.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Point 2: I agree that a "MAL on the ground; PUS in space" approach could be used. I think that this is a specialization of Case 1, where MAL is on the ground and "standard TT&C communications" are used over
the space link and on-board. PUS is just the ECSS "standardized" way of doing TT&C. We could insert a note to that effect if you all felt that was well advised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Agreed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="color:black">Richard Melvin <Richard.Melvin@scisys.co.uk><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 6, 2019 at 4:56 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov>, Dan Smith <danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Initial draft of revised CCSDS 870x1y10 Yellow Book - with attachments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I spent some time reviewing this, and it looks good.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Two quick points:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:red">As shown in Table 5-2 the MAL version of the SPP secondary header is a minimum of 37 octets plus another 4 variable length fields that are a minimum of 20 more octets but have a potential
maximum length of thousands of bytes (each variable length field has a 32 bit length field).
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I don’t think this is accurate, as the entire field, including the length, would not be present if the corresponding header flag is not set. This does complicate decoding a bit, but
not excessively</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoList" style="margin-left:.75in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">–<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span style="color:red">In order to be efficient to use in a real-time, on-board, environment significant effort should be invested to develop efficient mappings across the space communication links as well as to develop instances of
on-board deployments that minimize the impact on these resource constrained environments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Conceptually, you could make the point that a possible solution to this is to map the MO services to the full PUS stack, instead of merely to CCSDS space packets. This would mean that
the MO services would have access to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The protocol optimisation work already done</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The multiple existing onboard implementations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Extensive operational usage experience</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In practise, this is probably what would happen if the ground-segment side of ESA adopts MO and the spacecraft-specification side sticks with PUS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">However, that is a big enough political can of worms that I would
<b>definitely</b> <b>not</b> suggest actually raising it in the context of this document.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Richard</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Shames, Peter M (312B) <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>
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<b>Sent:</b> 01 February 2019 23:25<br>
<b>To:</b> SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org>; Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820) <jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov>; Dan Smith <danford.s.smith@nasa.gov>; Richard Melvin <Richard.Melvin@scisys.co.uk><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Initial draft of revised CCSDS 870x1y10 Yellow Book - with attachments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Re-do, bloody Outlook outlaws … it thought I was done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="color:black">Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov">Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:21 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>SEA-SA <<a href="mailto:sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>, "Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <<a href="mailto:jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov">jonathan.j.wilmot@nasa.gov</a>>, Dan Smith <<a href="mailto:danford.s.smith@nasa.gov">danford.s.smith@nasa.gov</a>>,
Richard Melvin <<a href="mailto:Richard.Melvin@scisys.co.uk">Richard.Melvin@scisys.co.uk</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Initial draft of revised CCSDS 870x1y10 Yellow Book</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Gentlemen,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Attached please find the initial draft of the revised CSDS 870x1y10 Yellow Book. All of the text that was added or changed is shown in red, as are the title of any changed figures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It includes the following kinds of updates:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Inclusion of sections to respond to MOIMS review comments</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Inclusion of "the 3 cases" that were discussed at the last joint meeting</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The results of discussions held on-line with Richard Melvin and members of the SEA SAWG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Revised diagrams that reflect these discussions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A spreadsheet we used to track all of the inputs and dispositions is attached. It is not as formal as a set of RIDs and from/to, but it gets the job done.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please review this draft and signal your acceptance (or displeasure) with what has been proposed.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Once this successfully passes our "internal" SEA-SA (and supporters) review I will distribute it to the rest of the team.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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