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Thanks Craig. Good feedback.
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<div>Only tweak I have is that Various Windows metafile formats don’t work well on Macs, at all. I much prefer PDF for portability.</div>
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<div>And lossless JPG seems to work ok too, but not the lossy forms.</div>
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<div>Peter</div>
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<div>Everything should be made as simple as possible, </div>
<div>but not simpler. </div>
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On Apr 17, 2018, at 7:18 AM, Biggerstaff, Craig (JSC-CD221)[SGT, INC] <<a href="mailto:craig.biggerstaff@nasa.gov">craig.biggerstaff@nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear sea-sa members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">It is not necessary to use a 3<sup>rd</sup> party tool to get scalable graphics. The guidelines that have worked for me are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If Visio is used to create diagrams, create a separate “sheet” for each diagram within the same Visio file, and label each by figure number. It makes for a clean delivery package
to the Secretariat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The same principle applies if using Powerpoint: separate slide for each diagram, labelled by figure number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">DON’T paste images into Word as editable embedded (Powerpoint, Visio, etc.) objects. This makes the document grow uncontrollably large and Word becomes (even more) prone to erratic
behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">DON’T paste images into Word as bitmap objects. These are nearly unreadable when resized or printed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">DO paste images into Word using “Paste Special…” and select “Enhanced Metafile”. This format scales very well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">DO paste images into Word using “Paste Special…” and select PNG. PNG also scales well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">JPEG can be used too, but it is a lossy format and sometimes introduces visible artifacts into the image for no obvious reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If e.g. UML tools offer a selection of formats for file export, PNG is likely the best choice. Save directly into a graphics image format if possible. Export to PDF can be used if necessary,
but since graphics are themselves embedded objects in PDF, copy/paste from PDF into Word is slower and more cumbersome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">Craig Biggerstaff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">Senior Engineer Specialist, Mission Systems Operations Contract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060">+1 281 483 2027<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#002060"><a href="mailto:craig.biggerstaff@nasa.gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">craig.biggerstaff@nasa.gov</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> SEA-SA <<a href="mailto:sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Roger Thompson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory] <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>; 'SEA-SA' <<a href="mailto:sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mario.merri@esa.int">mario.merri@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sea-sa] Importing diagrams from PPT to Word<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Where has this requirement come from and can Tom propose an efficient process for achieving this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Is this something Tom does for us when processing the books for publication, given the source graphics file, or is it something the authors themselves are supposed to do?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Few tools have native support for svg, while other graphics formats are widely supported. The MS Office tools would appear to support jpeg, gif, png, as well as some Microsoft proprietary
formats, but not svg. I suspect the situation for UML tools will be worse than for the Office suite. In my view we should be allowing the use of a widely supported generic format, such as jpeg. I do not know of an efficient means of generating svg from
powerpoint using the tools I have at my disposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">As it stands, we have in excess of 70 figures to include in our green book. Mine (50 or so) are all sourced in Powerpoint. To import a JPEG to Word from Powerpoint takes about
a minute per diagram (so <1hr for all of my diagrams) – this is not a one-off task, as diagrams continue to be updated. This method also allows you to select the portion of the powerpoint slide to be included (typically not the Slide header and footer).
If instead we have to use a 3<sup>rd</sup> party tool to generate an SVG file, import that and crop to the diagram itself, I would estimate this could take 10-15 minutes per diagram (1-1½ days for a full update of 50 diagrams. Given the budget available for
this task, this seems excessive and not a useful way of spending limited resources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Roger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> SEA-SA [<a href="mailto:sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shames, Peter M (312B)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 April 2018 16:05<br>
<b>To:</b> SEA-SA<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Sea-sa] Importing diagrams from PPT to Word<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I just asked Tom Gannett, the CCSDS Chief Technical Editor, about his recommendation for handling diagrams in Word docs. His concise statement is "scalable vector graphics". This does translate into SVG,
but PDF in vector graphics mode (not bitmap) also works. JPG, bitmap, PICT, etc are not acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So I recommend using PDF vector images to import graphics from PPT (or other sources) into our Word doc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In any event expect to provide the source files for all figures, regardless of the tool you use to produce it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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