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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tuesday mornings at 6:00 AM Pacific time is when the SOIS-App and SOIS-Subnet working groups hold teleconference, alternating, sometimes missing a beat. Is another day of the week possible? Since Glenn and Jonathan are on the list, another schedule to consider is a three-week alternation of SOIS-App, SOIS-Subnet, and SEA-Sawg.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Ramon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:sea-sa-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shames, Peter M (312B)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 5, 2016 4:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> roger.rocketbrain@btinternet.com; SEA-SA <sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Rakow, Glenn P. (GSFC-5610) <glenn.p.rakow@nasa.gov>; Jonathan Wilmot <Jonathan.J.Wilmot@nasa.gov><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Sea-sa] Next SAWG telecon, 10 May at 600 AM Pacific?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Roger,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I assume that lead time is short for everyone if we do it on the 10’th, prior (tentative) agreements notwithstanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Is everyone else good with re-scheduling this for 24 May?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Roger Thompson <<a href="mailto:roger.rocketbrain@btinternet.com">roger.rocketbrain@btinternet.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Roger Thompson <<a href="mailto:roger.rocketbrain@btinternet.com">roger.rocketbrain@btinternet.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 5, 2016 at 3:10 PM<br><b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, SEA-SA <<a href="mailto:sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org">sea-sa@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Rakow, Glenn P. (GSFC-5610)" <<a href="mailto:glenn.p.rakow@nasa.gov">glenn.p.rakow@nasa.gov</a>>, Jonathan Wilmot <<a href="mailto:Jonathan.J.Wilmot@NASA.gov">Jonathan.J.Wilmot@NASA.gov</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Sea-sa] Next SAWG telecon, 10 May at 600 AM Pacific?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Peter, <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Unfortunately I have a Dentist's appointment at exactly that time on 10th May. I didn't have it in my calendar, I'm afraid, as I've had to start a new one from scratch. Your alternate date of 24th is however OK with me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I don't actually have a contract with ESA yet, but that doesn't mean I can't do some work in anticipation. I'm currently away from home, so I wouldn't get a chance to do anything before the 10th anyway.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Can we go for 24th?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Will you set up a webex or equivalent?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id="yMail_cursorElementTracker_0.42850403950476634"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Roger<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ymail_android_signature"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>On Thu, 5 May, 2016 at 17:00, Shames, Peter M (312B)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear SAWG team,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>During our SAWG working meetings in Cleveland we tentatively agreed to have a telecon on Tuesday, 10 May. In order to spread the pain evenly we agreed to start at 0600 Pacific, which, if my calculations are correct, is 0800 Central, 0900 Eastern, 1400 in the UK, and 2100 in China.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I did not send this notice out sooner, so I hope that you all have it on your calendars. Please let me know by sending and email if you are available then.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>If you are not available also please let me know. My proposed next date would be two weeks after that, on 24 May. So if you cannot make the 10 May date please indicate if 24 May will work.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I am ataching the notes from the meeting. At this next telecon I would like to see the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The MOIMS black box and while box views rendered using the agreed formats<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The MOIMS changes we agreed to, including adding the Archive funcitons and objects<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>(Extra credit) add funciotns to reflect the audio and video services from SIS<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The SOIS black box and while box views rendered using the agreed formats, service interfaces and operations<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The SOIS changes we agreed to, including fixing the DVS and showing clearly how EDS fits into the overall picture<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>(Extra credit) describe how EDS fits into an overall view of SOIS development, I&T and V&V<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>(More extra credit) provide info from Sec WG about security services and functions<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The picture of how EDS fits into this entire context is, I suspect, something that will need input from Glenn and Jonathan, so I have copied them as well. If there are some well formed materials from those WG that we can use that would be the best. And if we need to work together with SOIS to come up with materials that present these concepts in a form that is consistent with the rest of what we have done we can do that as a part of this work in a future meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I have also attached, for reference, some of the earliest materials describing how SOIS subnet and related services were intended to work. This stuff dates back to May-Dec 2000, when the WG was called SOIF. Regardless, it will provide some (hopefully useful) background for what exists today in SOIS. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>