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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>All good points but the only reason for my raising this issue is that JPL is not allowing its people to travel to the meeting. If not for this, bearing in mind that Steve is document editor for the MB, I would have been “happy” to fund my own travel and subsistence for the meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So, you ask good questions John but I think those are questions for JPL.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>On a more positive note, I was actually looking for ideas for the agenda which would justify a number of us meeting in person without Steve, noting that Steve would not even be available by video in the morning. If I, for one, do travel to The Hague, I do not want to waste any time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ideas I have that we could make progress on without Steve, and without having to go through it all with Steve each afternoon, because they do not directly impact the MB and BB:<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The Yellow Book – complete descriptions of at least a few Test Cases<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Discuss possibilities of other interfaces, which could be in other BBs, e.g. RepInfo, Fixity, Access Rights, Context, Reference and, Provenance – although I believe Steve has an interest in Provenance – and maybe Preservation Objectives etc<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Document tree <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>????<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Garrett via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 1, 2023 4:49 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Cc:</b> garrett@his.com; david@giaretta.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Meeting in The Hague - in-person or by video<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I’m concerned that we didn’t have participation at the Huntsville meeting and we may not have a meeting now in the Hague.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I think we need the international face-to-face meetings to actually make progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If we don’t meet, this session will become like just another weekly meeting, perhaps with a couple extra sessions that week.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>That’s pretty much what happened since COVID.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I think it presents a poor appearance to CCSDS management about whether we are a serious WG. <br>I think our poor attendance at Huntsville already did that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Also it begins to get into tit for tat retaliations where US doesn’t attend a meeting then ESA doesn’t approve travel for the next one. But we are already stuck in that situation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Will there be attendance at the next US meeting where ever that will be?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Peace, joy, and prosperity,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-JOhn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 1, 2023 5:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org">david@giaretta.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Moims-dai] Meeting in The Hague - in-person or by video<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Dear all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I gather that at least a few people (John, Mike and maybe Roberta) plan to be in The Hague in November. But Steve (and other JPL people) have had their travel cancelled, so he cannot be there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>My concern is that since the weekly meetings are largely discussions between Steve and I, I am not sure what we will be able to do at the November meeting that we will not be able to do via video-meetings. Peter Shames suggested that WGs could video meet with JPL folk at 1400 – 1800 PM CET daily over that period.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>In other words, I don’t know whether it is worth the expenditure of time and money for me, or anyone, to travel to The Hague – and stay, eat etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Personally, I’d rather do daily extended video meetings, much as I like seeing people in person.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>..David <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>