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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See my responses below. We should discuss these points over the next few days.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Conrad via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 16, 2023 9:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Mark Conrad <conradsireland@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Draft message about OAIS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Thanks for putting this together. I have a few questions and then some <b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>comments</span></b> within the text.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Who is the target audience for this message?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal>Eld pointed out that there are many outside DAI are wondering what has happened to the OAIS update. Some are aware that there is an ISO review going on – but it is the 2012 version. So they are confused. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=2 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>What lists will it be sent to?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal>Various email lists – we must co-ordinate to avoid duplications.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=3 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Do you really want people joining the DAI list just to comment on the draft? Won't this make internal DAI conversations more difficult? Wouldn't it be better to refer folks to the <a href="http://review.oasis.info">review.oasis.info</a> site or set up a separate list for comments?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal>I meant to provide a way for people to ask about the process – not comment on OAIS. They could just rely to whatever list they saw the message on. But that means monitoring many lists. Another option would have been to email me (<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org">david@giaretta.org</a>) – but that would put me in too privileged position.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So I came up with the DAI list – but that needs people to join the list – at least everyone would see the comments/questions.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree that comments on OAIS itself should be via review.oais.info <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=4 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>What is the significance of the new version of OAIS going through the ISO fast-track process?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal>This is what the process is called i.e. because CCSDS is a Class A liaison organisation, the document goes straight to DIS review.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>5.If the primary audience for this message is folks who may want to comment on the new draft, I am not sure how helpful all of the details about CCSDS and ISO processes will be. Why not just issue a new call for comments on the latest CCSDS draft?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>See above.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>See comments below:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>News <b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>on the Reference Model for an Open Archival Information System (OAIS)</span></b> and the <b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>International Organization for Standardization (ISO)</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>This message is to provide an update on the revision of OAIS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>OAIS is edited within <b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>the Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems (CCSDS),</span></b> taking on board the widest possible range of suggested changes. What happened in the past <b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>is that once CCSDS completes its editing the document</span></b> then goes through <b><s><span style='color:#6AA84F'>into</span></s></b> the ISO review process immediately. Care has been taken to ensure that the CCSDS and ISO versions are identical. The ISO version in the past was simply the CCSDS version with an ISO cover sheet.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>However, the new version of OAIS, which went through a long review process in CCSDS, has not yet gone into ISO. This is because the processes in ISO and between ISO and CCSDS changed. This has meant that the route to ISO has been stalled for the past year. The good news is that the issues with the CCSDS to ISO process have now been resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The new CCSDS version of OAIS will go into ISO at the start of June.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The reason for this slight delay from now to June is as follows.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The ISO processes have continued and the 2012 version of OAIS (<b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>which was renewed without change in 2017) </span></b>is undergoing its automatic periodic ISO review which ends in the first week of June. We must wait for that process to end before submitting the new CCSDS version through the ISO fast-track process. It would therefore make sense for people to comment on the new CCSDS version in order to avoid going through the changes resolved previously – details at <a href="http://review.oais.info/" target="_blank">http://review.oais.info</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yes, but for some reason we were not informed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The changed ISO processes mean that there may be some typesetting changes going through the ISO system, and of course there may be some changes arising from the ISO review itself. We will ensure that the published CCSDS and ISO versions have identical content.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>The new CCSDS version of OAIS, which will go into ISO, is available at <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.pdf" target="_blank">https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.pdf</a> and <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.docx" target="_blank">https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.docx</a>. These are in A4 page size rather than Letter<b><span style='color:#6AA84F'>. This is</span></b> <b><s><span style='color:#6AA84F'>as</span></s></b> required by ISO. Remember the document may change slightly through the ISO review.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Since this message is going to many email lists, if there are any questions on this, it would help if they are copied to the DAI mailing list, which may be joined at <a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>CCSDS DAI Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>My two cents,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Mark Conrad</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 6:33 AM David Giaretta via MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>At the last DAI meeting I took an action to draft a message which we could post on various email lists to explain what has been happening to OAIS.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Comments please.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>..David</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=m-5014772829275670208msolistparagraph><span lang=EN-US>- - - -</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>News on OAIS and ISO</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>This message is to provide an update on the revision of OAIS. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>OAIS is edited within CCSDS, taking on board the widest possible range of suggested changes. What happened in the past is that it then goes through into the ISO review process immediately. Care has been taken to ensure that the CCSDS and ISO versions are identical. The ISO version in the past was simply the CCSDS version with an ISO cover sheet.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>However, the new version of OAIS, which went through a long review process in CCSDS, has not yet gone into ISO. This is because the processes in ISO and between ISO and CCSDS changed. This has meant that the route to ISO has been stalled for the past year. The good news is that the issues with the CCSDS to ISO process have now been resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>The new CCSDS version of OAIS will go into ISO at the start of June. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>The reason for this slight delay from now to June is as follows.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>The ISO processes have continued and the 2012 version of OAIS is undergoing its automatic periodic ISO review which ends in the first week of June. We must wait for that process to end before submitting the new CCSDS version through the ISO fast-track process. It would therefore make sense for people to comment on the new CCSDS version in order to avoid going through the changes resolved previously – details at <a href="http://review.oais.info" target="_blank">http://review.oais.info</a>. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>The changed ISO processes mean that there may be some typesetting changes going through the ISO system, and of course there may be some changes arising from the ISO review itself. We will ensure that the published CCSDS and ISO versions have identical content.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>The new CCSDS version of OAIS, which will go into ISO, is available at <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.pdf" target="_blank">https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.pdf</a> and <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.docx" target="_blank">https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0m3-A4.docx</a>. These are in A4 page size rather than Letter, as required by ISO. Remember the document may change slightly through the ISO review.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Since this message is going to many email lists, if there are any questions on this, it would help if they are copied to the DAI mailing list, which may be joined at <a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>CCSDS DAI Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>