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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>See below.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Rovetto via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> 16 May 2021 22:34<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-DAI List <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Rovetto <ontologos@yahoo.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Updated draft GB for OAIS-IF<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I have some preliminary input on the draft. Please let me know if it is helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>1) On Page 5 we read "Physical Object: An object (such as a moon rock, bio-specimen, microscope slide) with physically observable properties that represent information that is considered suitable for being adequately documented for preservation, distribution, and independent usage"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>QUESTION: Are you trying to say that physical properties of physical objects <i>represent </i>information? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Or are you trying to say that documented information represents those properties?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>This is taken from OAIS. The meaning concerns, I believe, the documentation of the observable properties. So for example Representation Information for a physical book would include “This is written in English” and “the text in RED should be taken as a joke”. The Provenance would be “This was written by Fred and published by John”. The Reference Information is “the ISBN”, or perhaps “Top shelf or the bookcase on the right” etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>OBSERVATION/INPUT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>From a philosophical ontological perspective, each claim would exemplify a distinct ontological priority.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Traditionally, it is data or information that represents the characteristics (i.e. properties, features, attributes, qualities, etc.) of things or objects.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Depends what you mean. The problem is that there are various traditions.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>RECOMMENDATION: If you intend the latter--documented information or data is what represents the features of objects--then rephrase accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>It would be helpful if you could suggest some wording.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>2) On Page 4 we read "Information:Any type of knowledge that can be exchanged. In an exchange, it is represented by data."<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>OBSERVATION/INPUT: The distinction between data, information and knowledge is a long-standing one in intellectual inquiry. Are you sure you want to say that information is a type of knowledge? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, unless you can suggest some other wording.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Often information is characterized as data (raw content or symbols) that is interpreted by an intelligent agent. Then knowledge is sometimes characterized as the next stage (for lack of a better work) from information, i.e., information that an agent applies or yield true justified belief. Knoweldge is often defined as justified true belief, but the distinction between data information and knoweldge is a challenging one to characterize.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Agreed – many years ago we chose definitions which we thought were practical for what we needed to do. We were not trying to settle centuries old debates.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>3) 'Content Data Object' is mentioned in the Glossary, but it does not seem to be defined. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>I will add some wording to clarify. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Very respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Robert Rovetto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Robert – always helpful to get a new viewpoint and to look again at the fundamentals. As you will see from my answers, my response tends to be to ask for specific wording or specific alternatives. 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv3263075606><div><div><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>As agreed at last week’s DAI meeting, I have prepared a tidier and more consistent copy of the draft GB. It can be downloaded from <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7s1s7xh9tt01wt/OAIS-IF%20Rationale%20Scenarios%20and%20Requirements-20210516.docx?dl=0" target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7s1s7xh9tt01wt/OAIS-IF%20Rationale%20Scenarios%20and%20Requirements-20210516.docx?dl=0</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>Regards</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>..David</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=yiv3263075606msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>