<div dir="ltr"><div>This is a great effort, David! Please find the attached file, containing additional edits to fill in the gaps along with some comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Bob</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Robert R. Downs, PhD<br>
Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of
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Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and
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ORCID: 0000-0002-8595-5134</div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 8:13 PM Lin, Dawei (NIH/NIAID) [E] via MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi David,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> Thank you for doing these mappings. It will help the Trustworthy Digital Repository greatly. I have add my comments in the attached document.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Dawei <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dawei Lin, Ph.D.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Associate Director for Bioinformatics and Senior Advisor to the Director</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Division of Allergy, Immunology, and Transplantation</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">5601 Fisher’s Lane 7A70, MSC 9828</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Work phone: 240-627-3527</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">"<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 1:03 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks for these valuable comments.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’ve combined Bruce’s and Barbara’s comments then responded and added text.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>At this stage I think I have to assume people are familiar with or can refer to OAIS and ISO 16363.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I also want to keep my references to the text related to conformance, which means that I can ignore lots of things like the Functional Model and the discussion text.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>After getting the essentials right then more general text can be added.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>More comments?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>..David </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bruce Ambacher <<a href="mailto:bambacher@verizon.net" target="_blank">bambacher@verizon.net</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2020 18:22<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>; <a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding Barbara's comment BS5. Many repositories do not limit access to just citizens. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration
provides archival information to noncitizens as well as citizens, adhering to all legally applicable restrictions on access.<br>
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From: <a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a><br>
To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Glad you liked the draft – it was just my first attempt with the simplest mapping.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I was hoping to get to a point where the use of the term “metadata” can be replaced by more precise terms. That way the FAIR and TRUST principles can be made more
testable/verifiable.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Also it may give us a few ideas about what could be added to ISO 16363 (and even OAIS) in future.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:bsierman@digitalpreservation.nl" target="_blank">bsierman@digitalpreservation.nl</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2020 11:09<br>
<b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black" lang="NL">Dear David, dear all</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This is a very clever idea! And I like your draft. I’ve added some thoughts to it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bbut I’m a bit worried that by too much “cut and paste” citations of the right mapping, we might loose sight of what I would call “the spirit of OAIS”. As we cannot
describe every possible situation in detail, it is important to give people the right mindset to make their own decision in case the principles are not detailed enough. This is something that perhaps in the introduction can be explained further. There are
things that cannot be mapped to a particular phrase in the standards, but are clear from the intentions why the standard was created.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">One other point is that the original authors of the FAIR principles are explicitly saying that their concept of “re-use” is focused on the re-use of the data by humans
and machines (<a href="https://doi.org/10.1162/DINT_R_00024" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1162/DINT_R_00024</a>) . They do not mention a timeframe in which this should be possible. There is no explicit reference to long term preservation. But obviously,
if you want to keep your digital data re-usable, this requires some form of preservation, even if it is for a short term. Hence the TRUST principles, where the repository takes care of the long term FAIRness. But as such, the FAIR principles are of a different
order than CoreTrustSeal, ISO 163636 and OAIS, in my opinion.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Onderwerp:</b> [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We spoke about a concept paper mapping between OAIS/16363 and the CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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