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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks for these valuable comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I’ve combined Bruce’s and Barbara’s comments then responded and added text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>At this stage I think I have to assume people are familiar with or can refer to OAIS and ISO 16363.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I also want to keep my references to the text related to conformance, which means that I can ignore lots of things like the Functional Model and the discussion text.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>After getting the essentials right then more general text can be added.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>More comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> Bruce Ambacher <bambacher@verizon.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2020 18:22<br><b>To:</b> david@giaretta.org; moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Regarding Barbara's comment BS5. Many repositories do not limit access to just citizens. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration provides archival information to noncitizens as well as citizens, adhering to all legally applicable restrictions on access.<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org">david@giaretta.org</a><br>To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>Sent: Sat, Oct 24, 2020 8:20 am<br>Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv4994723183><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hi Barbara<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Glad you liked the draft – it was just my first attempt with the simplest mapping.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I was hoping to get to a point where the use of the term “metadata” can be replaced by more precise terms. That way the FAIR and TRUST principles can be made more testable/verifiable.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Also it may give us a few ideas about what could be added to ISO 16363 (and even OAIS) in future. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Let’s see what others have to say.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv4994723183yqt45594><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:bsierman@digitalpreservation.nl">bsierman@digitalpreservation.nl</a><br><b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2020 11:09<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear David, dear all</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This is a very clever idea! And I like your draft. I’ve added some thoughts to it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Bbut I’m a bit worried that by too much “cut and paste” citations of the right mapping, we might loose sight of what I would call “the spirit of OAIS”. As we cannot describe every possible situation in detail, it is important to give people the right mindset to make their own decision in case the principles are not detailed enough. This is something that perhaps in the introduction can be explained further. There are things that cannot be mapped to a particular phrase in the standards, but are clear from the intentions why the standard was created.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>One other point is that the original authors of the FAIR principles are explicitly saying that their concept of “re-use” is focused on the re-use of the data by humans and machines (<a href="https://doi.org/10.1162/DINT_R_00024" target="_blank">https://doi.org/10.1162/DINT_R_00024</a>) . They do not mention a timeframe in which this should be possible. There is no explicit reference to long term preservation. But obviously, if you want to keep your digital data re-usable, this requires some form of preservation, even if it is for a short term. Hence the TRUST principles, where the repository takes care of the long term FAIRness. But as such, the FAIR principles are of a different order than CoreTrustSeal, ISO 163636 and OAIS, in my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>I’m looking forward to more discussion about this!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Kind regards</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Barbara Sierman</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>+31 6 44 67 49 06</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><img border=0 width=96 height=64 style='width:1.0in;height:.6666in' id="yiv4994723183Afbeelding_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D6AAF0.BDA0BFF0"></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Van:</span></b><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> <b>Namens </b><a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a><br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 19:38<br><b>Aan:</b> MOIMS-DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Moims-dai] Concept paper on OAIS/ISO16363 and CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=NL style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We spoke about a concept paper mapping between OAIS/16363 and the CTS, FAIR principles and TRUST principles.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Here is my simple attempt at a draft of such a concept paper.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>All comments/suggestions welcome.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>..David</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt84484><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>