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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Roberto.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I think that the view which OAIS expresses is that to preserve Information one needs more than a computer system.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Rovetto via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> 01 September 2020 10:07<br><b>To:</b> david@giaretta.org; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Cc:</b> Robert Rovetto <ontologos@yahoo.com>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] RE: CESG conditions on your OAIS Reference Model, CCSDS 650.0-P-2.0<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id=ydp187d8ed6yiv0983177592><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Hi everyone, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I'm pretty new, so hello :) but this might be a good opportunity to provide some input that I hope is helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>One focus area is conceptual analysis, modeling; and terminology, with special attention on astronautics.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Some thoughts (if i'm reading things correctly)...<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>a) section 1.1. talks about an Archive system. Consider describing what an archive system is. presumably a computational system whose primary function is to archive data (?). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>b) The term 'system' is one of languages highly generic category terms. As such it's semantics (meaning) is often indeterminate or context-specific (as we see here). So it often comes down to simply specifying the intended meaning via a definitional phrase. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>c) Consider that we can describe or enumerate various categories of system: 'computer system', 'physical system', 'engineered system', 'social system' , 'planetary system' etc. What they have in common is a question open for debate and various descriptions may be equally valid. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>E.g., if we look at Merriam-Webster's dictionary we see various senses of the word, some of which are about policies, others about a system computation systems, etc. But a commonality is that a system as a unified collection of elements (broadly construed) working together (in some manner) for some purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>d) Some qualifying features for different kinds of system were mentioned in the discussion thus far, that some of those dictionary definitions have as senses unto themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>e) it seems a focus is on those systems created by persons. That is very specific for a highly generic term like 'system', given (c) and given that it seems reasonable to consider other things like planetary systems as kinds of system. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>f) So perhaps one approach is to form a more specific phrase that better captures the intended meaning we want here. And either leave 'system' undefined or describe it in a generic and minimal fashion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>g) However, (e) may only be on point if there is in fact no common features of system to all other potential kinds (e.g. planetary, social, computational, architectural, etc.). Or (e) may not be a concern if we assert that the concept of system is only applicable to the artificial.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Anyway, my two cents. I hope it wasn't confusing. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Please be safe in the global health climate.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Very respectfully,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Robert Rovetto<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>NASA Datanauts Open Data Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><a href="http://www.coder.umd.edu/node/287" target="_blank">Research Affiliate</a>, <a href="http://www.coder.umd.edu/research-affiliates" target="_blank">Center for Orbital Debris Education & Research</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Education Committee, International Association for Ontology and its Applications.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Committee member of groups in IAF, CCSDS, AIAA, ISO.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Webmaster & Journal developer, <a href="http://journalofsar.com/" target="_blank">Journal of Search and Rescue</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>US Merchant Marine. 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<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>Dear David, et al,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>In general, while I could accept what you propose I would do it rather reluctantly, and for the following reasons:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><ol start=1 type=1><li class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>In Wikipedia, that font of all knowledge, system, in information and computer science, is define like this: "<b>system</b> is a hardware system, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_system" target="_blank" title="Software system">software system</a>, or combination, which has <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Component_(UML)" target="_blank" title="Component (UML)">components</a> as its structure and observable <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication" target="_blank" title="Inter-process communication">inter-process communications</a> as its behavior."<o:p></o:p></li><li class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>In the CCSDS glossary, that font of our corporate knowledge, system is defined like this: (CCSDS 311.0-M-1) " <b>A set of elements</b> (people, products [hardware and software], facilities, equipment, material, and processes [automated as well as manual procedures]) that are related and whose behavior satisfies customer and/or operational needs".<o:p></o:p></li><li class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Or like this: (CCSDS 910.2-G-1) " A set of one or more computers, the associated software, peripherals, terminals, human operators, physical processes, information transfer means, etc., that forms an autonomous whole capable of performing information processing and/or information transfer."<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>It is only these OAIS definitions that stray so far from the norm as to attempt to define this particular kind of "system" as being first and foremost about "organizations", as in the original definition, or now, about "policies, procedures, hardware, software, and information." Systems are systems. Policies are organizational guidance about how organizations carry out their tasks. Procedures are instructions about the steps organizations are to follow in carrying out their tasks. Neither of these are the primary elements of a system, they are strictly ancillary to the use of the system, but useful to the organization. Likewise information, for that matter. Systems may store, transfer, and manipulate information, but they are not that information.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b>Policy</b> (Wikpedia): A <b>policy</b> is a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberation" target="_blank" title=Deliberation>deliberate</a> system of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle" target="_blank" title=Principle>principles</a> to guide decisions and achieve rational outcomes. A policy is a statement of intent, and is implemented as a procedure or protocol. Policies are generally adopted by a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance" target="_blank" title=Governance>governance</a> body within an organization.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b>Procedure</b> (Wikipedia): a set of step-by-step instructions compiled by an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization" target="_blank" title=Organization>organization</a> to help workers carry out <b>complex</b> routine operations. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>As an instance of a particular kind of SYSTEM, please adopt a straightforward definition of OAIS that does not convolve these other, separate, terms into the definition nor make them the prominent features of the definition. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>It's a quibble, but the addition of that phrase "<span style='color:red'>but is not limited to</span><span style='color:black'>" seems vague and to add no value. It's rather like sticking ", etc" at the end of a sentence when you cannot summon up another concrete item to add to a list. But in fact, placed as it is, it seems to <u>take away</u> meaning from the very concrete definition that should follow it. Please remove it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>I do not have any issue with the use of "put in place" (or "acquired", or "employed") nor the reference to "staff", in the last sentence.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>Is it safe to assume that the other changes I proposed have been adopted as proposed or are there changes to these as well? Your note was unclear.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal>Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org">david@giaretta.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 4:22 AM<br><b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] RE: CESG conditions on your OAIS Reference Model, CCSDS 650.0-P-2.0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Dear Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>The DAI WG reached consensus at yesterday’s meeting to accept your proposals but with a few changes to your proposed definition of OAIS Archive which we think is a bit clearer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>The following shows our changes, with your text as the basis. A few words of your text have been deleted (double strikeout) and additional words inserted (red text).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Some points to explain the changes:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'>1)<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>Add “policies” and “information”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'>2)<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>To make it clear that the Archive organisation does not have to develop the system itself we use the words “put in place”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msolistparagraph style='margin-left:72.0pt'>3)<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>In order to clean up the Glossary definition we move the the reference to the section which specifies the mandatory responsibilities to a NOTE. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt'><b>Open Archival Information System (OAIS)</b>:<b> </b>An Archive system consist<span style='color:red'>s</span><s>ing</s> of<span style='color:red'>, but is not limited to, policies, procedures,</span> hardware, software, and <span style='color:red'>information. </span><s>procedures </s><span style='color:red'>The Archive system is </span><s>developed</s> <span style='color:red'>put in place and </span>operated by an organization<span style='color:red'> and its staff</span>. The organization has accepted the responsibility to preserve information and make it available for a Designated Community. The organisation may be part of a larger organisation. <s>The system</s> <span style='color:red'>An OAIS Archive </span>meets a set of <span style='color:red'>mandatory</span> responsibilities<s>, as defined in section 4,</s> that allows an OAIS Archive to be distinguished from other uses of the term ‘archive’. The term ‘Open’ in OAIS is used to imply that this Recommended Practice and future related Recommended Practices and standards are developed in open forums, and it does not imply that access to the Archive is unrestricted.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:72.0pt'>NOTE - The set of mandatory responsibilities an OAIS Archive must perform are defined in section 3.2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I hope you concur with this. We can then go forward with this improved version of OAIS. Once again I want to thank you for suggesting many improvements.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>..David<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via MOIMS-DAI<br><b>Sent:</b> 18 August 2020 18:56<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org">david@giaretta.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>; MOIMS-DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] RE: CESG conditions on your OAIS Reference Model, CCSDS 650.0-P-2.0<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Dear David, et al,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I'd like to thank you and your team for taking my suggestions seriously and for working diligently to improve the clarity of the document. I am really glad that you took this opportunity to make these long overdue changes. I suspect that your community will also appreciate the changes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I have read the document (a quick skim this time), and find that I agree with all of the changes that you have made. The added clarity in use of terms and diagrams helps a lot. I did find a few relatively minor items that I still wish to ask that you fix. Instead of doing the usual "change this to that" PID format I just made the proposed changes directly in the text, which I have attached with Track Changes turned on. For transparency, I will tell you where to look:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Sec 1.1: fixed the definition of an OAIS to align with the usual notion of what a "system" is:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#0070C0'>An OAIS is an Archive system consisting of hardware, software, and procedures developed and operated by an organization. The organization has accepted the responsibility to preserve information and make it available for a <b>Designated Community</b>. The organization may be part of a larger organization.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Made the same change in sec 1.6.2 Terminology.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>In other sections and sub-sections I added a clarifying sentences in the intro paragraphs, of the general form: "This sub-section (<u>or this entire section</u>) is non-normative.". I am concerned that without this sort of clarity the mix of normative and non-normative materials in various sections can cause confusion. I did not want it to be too intrusive, but I think we must be clear. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>To take the "sting" out of this, in some sections I added an explanatory sentence, like this one in Sec 4.2:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><span style='color:#0070C0'>This entire subsection is informative, but provides useful abstractions for understanding how an OAIS might be designed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>I hope that you and your team can accept these changes. If the answer is yes you have my concurrence to go forward.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'>Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 9:07 AM<br><b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>MOIMS-DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Moims-dai] [EXTERNAL] RE: CESG conditions on your OAIS Reference Model, CCSDS 650.0-P-2.0</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Dear Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Steve Hughes provided us with feedback following your discussion with him. As a result we have taken an in-depth look at the conformance sections, the definitions and discussion of Representation Information, and in particular “Semantic Information”, and the discussion of Representation Information Networks. I believe we have made significant improvements to OAIS as a result. Some of the text dates back to the original version of OAIS; it is only thanks to your insistence that we were forced to recognize a number of weaknesses and sources of confusion for readers.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>The updated document is available at <a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft*20Documents/OAIS*20v3/650x0020_CESG_Aproval_Mod-20200818.doc?Web=0__;JSU!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!Z6HocMIOLyix828rKmjcw8oXm4kvxDc7FslUfK9mFl4AgzgYOB_8YzJbr7ELtVAvJ4ZPi7qM$" target="_blank">https://cwe.ccsds.org/moims/docs/MOIMS-DAI/Draft%20Documents/OAIS%20v3/650x0020_CESG_Aproval_Mod-20200818.doc?Web=0</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>A short list of the changes are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'>-<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>The conformance section 1.4 has been clarified as you suggested and the individual sections are clearly marked as “normative”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'>-<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>We checked the use of shall/must. One instance of “must” was missing from a section marked as normative. We found we did have some uses of “must” in informative sections, which we re-phrased. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'>-<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>Changed the name of Semantic Information to “Semantic Representation Information” to avoid confusion with Semantic networks etc. The definition has been clarified to <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:144.0pt'>o<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>“Semantic Representation Information: The Representation Information that further describes the meaning of the Data Object, and its parts or elements, beyond that provided by the Structure Representation Information.”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'>-<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>There is a similar change for Structure Information to “Structure Representation Information”, which is now defined as <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:144.0pt'>o<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>“Structure Representation Information: The Representation Information that imparts information about the arrangement of and the organization of the parts or elements of the Data Object”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:108.0pt'>-<span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"New",serif'> </span>The explanation of Representation Information Networks has been updated, with some new diagrams which we hope make the concept very clear. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>We hope that clears the way for progressing OAIS to the next stage.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'>..David<o:p></o:p></p><p class=yiv0983177592msonormal style='margin-left:72.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div id=yiv0983177592yqtfd98170><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>