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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hi John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Out of interest I went back to the previous definitions of Producer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The 2002 version of OAIS define Producer as:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Producer: The role played by those persons, or client systems, who provide the information to be preserved. This can include other OAISs or internal OAIS persons or systems.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The 2012 version has<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Producer: The role played by those persons or client systems that provide the information to be preserved. This can include other OAISes or internal OAIS persons or systems.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Current draft:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Producer: The role played by those persons or client systems that provide the information to be preserved. This can include internal or external OAIS persons or systems.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>So it has not changed very much over the years from 2002, and when I look back at the earlier drafts, from well before 2000.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>The diagrams do show the Producer “outside” the OAIS – which is for clarity about the role, as John days. I also agree with John that if the OAIS staff/systems play the role of Producer then clearly policies, procedures, agreements and checks have to used for the Ingestion of anything that is to be preserved; of course, these procedures etc may be different from those used for Producers which is not <i>internal OAIS persons or systems</i>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>However I don’t think it would be useful to remove the “</span><span lang=EN-US>target of preservation” sentence because Content Data Object is defined as : <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US>The Data Object, that together with associated Representation Information, comprises the Content Information</span></i><span lang=EN-US>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>The definitions of CDO and CI become circular unless there is something special about the Content Information, which has always been “target of preservation”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>A</span><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ll the specific sub-types of Information are actually defined by how they are used. For example, OAIS says that <i>Provenance Information can be viewed as a special type of Context Information</i>, in particular Provenance Information</span> <i><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>documents the history</span></i><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> and <i>adds to the evidence to support Authenticity</i>, and of course it is also an Information Object.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>garrett@his.com<br><b>Sent:</b> 04 April 2019 08:35<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] FW: CDO text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I favor dropping that sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>One of my objections is that it is that I would prefer that we would define things by their information model not by how the particular object is used. I would prefer to be able to call every combination of a Content Data Object and Representation Information Content Information (even if that object wasn’t a target of preservation).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Additionally to address the other issue from the last telecon, we should probably address the new wording for the Producer definition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>“<b>Producer</b>: The role played by those persons or client systems that provide the information to be preserved. This can include internal or external OAIS persons or systems.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If people are now understanding that this indicates that the Producer can be inside an OAIS, then that contradicts all the diagrams we have that show the Producer as external to the OAIS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>To start with see Section 2.1 which starts with our simplest environment diagram and that includes the text,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>“Outside the OAIS are Producers, Consumers, and Management.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>We have consistently said that anytime anything internal to an OAIS that takes on the role of Producer, then while it is executing that role, it is considered external to the OAIS. That means it has to have Submissions Agreements, etc. and the data that it submits has to undergo checks. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Peace and joy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>-JOhn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Downs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 2, 2019 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] FW: CDO text<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Please let me add my voice of agreement to Don's point and Mark's agreement that Content Information should be defined as "the original target of preservation".<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Robert R. Downs, PhD<br>Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research<br>Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and Development<br>Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),<br>The Earth Institute, Columbia University<br>P.O. Box 1000, 61 Route 9W, Palisades, NY 10964 USA<br>Voice: 845-365-8985; fax: 845-365-8922<br>E-mail: <a href="mailto:rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu" target="_blank">rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu</a><br>Columbia University CIESIN Web site: <a href="http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu" target="_blank">http://www.ciesin.columbia.edu</a><br>ORCID: 0000-0002-8595-5134<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:30 PM Mark Conrad <<a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Well said, Don. I have become the lone voice at our weekly meetings defending Content Information as the information originally provided by the Producer. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Mark Conrad<br>NARA Information Services<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US>Systems Engineering Division (IT)<br>The National Archives and Records Administration<br>Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center<br>Building 494, Room 225<br>610 State Route 956<br>Rocket Center, WV 26726<br><br>Phone: 304-726-7820<br>Fax: 304-726-7802<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 2:47 PM D or C Sawyer <<a href="mailto:Sawyer@acm.org" target="_blank">Sawyer@acm.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>There is no valid reason to change the Content Information definition from ‘<span style='color:#FF2600'>the original target of preservation’</span> to ‘<span style='color:#FF2600'>a target of preservation</span>’. This has been there from the beginning to make clear it is referring to the original information provided by the Producer and not just any information within the Archive. This is important to ensure that when people are discussing preservation within an OAIS context, everyone understands this is the information originally provided by the Producer. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Of course we understand why you want to make this change because you still want to move Content Information to being ANY information in the Archive so you can claim the whole process is recursive by definition ‘and been there from the beginning'. This would be a radical, ambiguity enhancing, change to the long standing common understanding of the OAIS information and functional modeling. For these reasons this proposed change should be thoroughly rejected by the group.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Cheers-<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Don<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Apr 2, 2019, at 10:06 AM, David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US> </span></span><span lang=EN-US>David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>david@giaretta.org</span></a>><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span>02 April 2019 13:12<br><b>To:</b><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span>'Mark Conrad' <<a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>mark.conrad@nara.gov</span></a>>; 'John Garrett' <<a href="mailto:garrett@his.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>garrett@his.com</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span>CDO text<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>My suggestions for the additional text:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Change in current draft from:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:18.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Preservation Description Information (PDI</span></b><span lang=EN-US>): The<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><b> </b></span>information, which along with Representation Information, is necessary for adequate preservation of the Content Data Object and which can be categorized as Provenance Information, Context Information, Reference Information, Fixity Information, and Access Rights Information.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Note: Defining PDI (as well as its components - Provenance Information, Context Information, Reference Information, Fixity Information, and Access Rights Information) as relevant to the Content Data Object does not mean that those concerns are any less important for other data objects or at other levels, for example, it is important to apply reference, fixity, provenance, context and access rights to Representation Information, or to any other information the Archive is preserving. Definition of these terms as relevant to the Content Data Object is simply to ease discussion of these concepts at the Content Data Object level.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>To:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:18.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Preservation Description Information (PDI</span></b><span lang=EN-US>): The<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><b> </b></span>information, which along with Representation Information, is necessary for adequate preservation of the Content Data Object and which can be categorized as Provenance Information, Context Information, Reference Information, Fixity Information, and Access Rights Information.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Note: Defining PDI (as well as its components - Provenance Information, Context Information, Reference Information, Fixity Information, and Access Rights Information) as relevant to the Content Data Object does not mean that those concerns are any less important for other data objects or at other levels, for example, it is important to apply reference, fixity, provenance, context and access rights to Representation Information, or to any other information the Archive is preserving.<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span><s><span style='color:red'>Definition of these terms as relevant to the Content Data Object is simply to ease discussion of these concepts at the Content Data Object level.</span></s><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I suggest deleting the last sentence because it does not make sense to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Change<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Content Information</span></b><span lang=EN-US>:<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><b> </b></span><span style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>A set of information that is the original target of preservation. It is an Information Object composed of its Content Data Object and its Representation Information.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>To<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US>Content Information</span></b><span lang=EN-US>:<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><b> </b></span><span style='letter-spacing:-.2pt'>A set of information that is<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:red'>a</span><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span><s><span style='color:red'>the original</span></s><span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space><span style='color:red'> </span></span>target of preservation. It is an Information Object composed of its Content Data Object and its Representation Information.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>There are a few other places the change “the original” to “a” would also be needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Add to the end of section 4.2.1.4 Taxonomy of Information Object Classes Used by OAIS<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'>Content Information is any Information Object which is being preserved by the Archive.<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I don’t know an easy way to put this into the UML diagram.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Also add the end of section 4.2.1.4.1 Content Information:<span class=gmail-m2055665613139594563gmail-m-8345066357735914394apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:red'>Any Information Object being preserved by the Archive, such as Representation Information, PDI etc., may also be considered to be Content Information.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br></span><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br></span><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#954F72'>https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></body></html>