<div dir="ltr">Hi David,<div><br></div><div>I intend to be on the call tomorrow.</div><div><br></div><div>1. What is it useful for?</div><div><br></div><div>2. Creates confusion about what is and isn't an OAIS.</div><div><br></div><div>3. Not sure if the statement is true per se. Depending on the service being sought - for example, replication and geographic dispersal of copies of very large (petabyte to exabyte) collections - an OAIS may or may not be the best provider of the service. Even if we were to take the assertion as true, it could be stated in one sentence. Along with the statement that an OAIS could outsource some services, these two statements could replace all of Section 6.1.5 without all the confusion about what is and is not an OAIS.</div><div><br></div><div>Mark</div><div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:42 PM, David Giaretta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_2323491616858779297WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Mark<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>As I understand it, Eld argues that the OO-IO is useful terminology while you think it is unnecessary. I hope you can both be on the call tomorrow.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>My attitude is that the OO-IO terminology <u></u><u></u></span></p><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1"><li class="m_2323491616858779297MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span>is potentially useful <u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_2323491616858779297MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span>does no harm and does not affect conformance<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_2323491616858779297MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm"><span>has the benefit of enabling one to say that if an OAIS does rely on another organisation to provide a service, it is advantageous that the information the 2<sup>nd</sup> organisation needs to provide that service is preserved in the best possible way i.e. that 2<sup>nd</sup> organisation is itself an OAIS.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Of course we can argue about all those points!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>..David<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.<wbr>ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Conrad<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 September 2018 17:56<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>; David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:david@giaretta.info" target="_blank">david@giaretta.info</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Marked up version of OAIS Section 6.1.5 - OO-IO Text<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Please see the attached text with my comments. Hopefully I have commented on the correct text this time. <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😀</span> I will also post this text as an attachment to SC 135 on the <a href="http://review.oais.info" target="_blank">review.oais.info</a> site. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark Conrad<br>NARA Information Services<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Systems Engineering Division (IT)<br>The National Archives and Records Administration<br>Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center<br>Building 494, Room 225<br>610 State Route 956<br>Rocket Center, WV 26726<br><br>Phone: 304-726-7820<br>Fax: 304-726-7802<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Mark Conrad <<a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, John. I will prepare comments accordingly. Thanks, Eld, for pointing out the discrepancy.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mark Conrad<br>NARA Information Services<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Systems Engineering Division (IT)<br>The National Archives and Records Administration<br>Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center<br>Building 494, Room 225<br>610 State Route 956<br>Rocket Center, WV 26726<br><br>Phone: 304-726-7820<br>Fax: 304-726-7802<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:43 PM, John Garrett <<a href="mailto:garrett@his.com" target="_blank">garrett@his.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">Hi,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">Sorry, this seems to be my mistake.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">It appears as if I did not get the original suggested update into the draft and did not get the subsequent intermediate suggestion into the draft. Probably best at this point to take Eld’s content as the base for further comments.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">Peace and joy,</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">-JOhn</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_2323491616858779297_m_3538790379991362008_m_8861914211582333"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d"> </span></a><span></span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> MOIMS-DAI [mailto:<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai-bounces@<wbr>mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Conrad<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Marked up version of OAIS Section 6.1.5 - OO-IO Text<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Eld,<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The text I commented on is from John's Word document with the current state of the OAIS document dated 2018-08-21.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">John,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Which document should I be commenting on for Section 6.1.5. - that section from your document dated 2018-08-21 or the document that Eld cites in her email message,<span style="color:#1f497d;background:white"> </span><a href="http://review.oais.info/attachment.cgi?id=42" title="View the content of the attachment" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155cc;background:white">Section 6.1.5 10th of July 2018</span></b></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;background:white"> (</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://review.oais.info/attachment.cgi?id=42" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1155cc;background:white">http://review.oais.info/<wbr>attachment.cgi?id=42</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1f497d;background:white">)?</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#1f497d;background:white">Mark</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mark Conrad<br>NARA Information Services<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Systems Engineering Division (IT)<br>The National Archives and Records Administration<br>Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center<br>Building 494, Room 225<br>610 State Route 956<br>Rocket Center, WV 26726<br><br>Phone: 304-726-7820<br>Fax: 304-726-7802<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:58 AM, Eld Zierau <<a href="mailto:elzi@kb.dk" target="_blank">elzi@kb.dk</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">Hi </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">I think there has been a misunderstanding somewhere, since the version you commented Mark is a word document </span><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color:red">from an old version</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">The version discussed on 14<sup>th</sup> of August is: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://review.oais.info/attachment.cgi?id=42" title="View the content of the attachment" target="_blank"><b>Section 6.1.5 10th of July 2018</b></a> (<a href="http://review.oais.info/attachment.cgi?id=42" target="_blank">http://review.oais.info/<wbr>attachment.cgi?id=42</a><span style="color:#1f497d">)</span> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">It was also noted that terms like Functional Entity … was to be changed to lower case and the references in the end should be removed.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d">Best regards, Eld</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1f497d"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DA">From:</span></b><span lang="DA"> MOIMS-DAI <<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.<wbr>ccsds.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Conrad<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 4, 2018 5:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Moims-dai] Marked up version of OAIS Section 6.1.5 - OO-IO Text</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please see the attached text with my comments. I have also posted this text as an attachment to SC 135 on the <a href="http://review.oais.info" target="_blank">review.oais.info</a> site.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mark Conrad<br>NARA Information Services<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Systems Engineering Division (IT)<br>The National Archives and Records Administration<br>Erma Ora Byrd Conference and Learning Center<br>Building 494, Room 225<br>610 State Route 956<br>Rocket Center, WV 26726<br><br>Phone: 304-726-7820<br>Fax: 304-726-7802<br>Email: <a href="mailto:mark.conrad@nara.gov" target="_blank">mark.conrad@nara.gov</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>MOIMS-DAI mailing list<br><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-<wbr>bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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