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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Hi Don,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I certainly agree that your input is well-crafted and thought-provoking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think it could be used as a basis for one or more paper submissions to some of our digital preservation conferences.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>It also provokes questions of what needs to be updated in the OAIS. I’ll have to give that more thought. For me, some parts seem to metaphysical/philosophical to be practically included in OAIS. Other parts I see as almost requiring that we make some updates to OAIS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>One place I believe that we need to make updates is in discussions of PDI content being Information Objects. Based on your interpretation of directly viewable information/documents not being Information Objects (which interpretation I agree with), then we can’t say that, for example, Provenance Information is an Information Object. It could be, but is not required to be an Information Object. It will only be an Information Object if it requires and has Representation Information associated with it. This is all closely related to Representation Information Networks. At some point the Network needs to end.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think you’ve expressed well the experience and/or understand bit much better than we’ve done so far. We’ve discussed that before and for me that is getting addressed through the introduction of the Preservation Objectives and Transformational Information Properties which for me allows for “understanding” that allows experiences – e.g. understanding the b/w photo means that the Designated Community must be able to view it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>This is also closely related to our understand and/or use discussions that we added in the previous update. I think we’ve found that to be confusing to people and leads us down all kinds of rabbit holes when start talking about systems understanding the information. Again I expected David’s introduction of Preservation Objectives and TIPs to help in that regard also.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I think the Preservation Objectives and TIPs also handle much of the Information presentation concerns. I agree that Information presentation is an important concept and we probably should discuss it more in OAIS. However I’m not sure that I agree that the current OAIS doesn’t allow for experiential information. Certainly we should tweak the definitions if that is how others see it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Certainly we’ll want to discuss this more.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Peace and joy,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-JOhn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> MOIMS-DAI [mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Kearney<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Interoperability' <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] OAIS SC 235: OAIS Preservation Issues<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Don, I have to say that was a well-crafted and thought-provoking writeup, especially the first section. I think I got both knowledge and an experience (pleasurable) out of reading that. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>All: I fully support Don’s suggestion to add experience preservation as a salient component of the concept of OAIS. Bear in mind that I’m the new guy, so that may or may not lend the concept credibility. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Don, in the process of adding the missing component, you focused on the term “experience”. I have always held a concept that the brain maintains a “software model” of the environment. Once the sensory inputs come in, they add to that software model and the increasing fidelity of that model can, I think, be equated to gaining knowledge and experience. In support of that, here’s a statement from a </span><a href="http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003422"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>professional article</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'> that says “</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white'>the brain represents a model of its environment and offers predictions about the world.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>That software model of the environment in the brain may be where knowledge and experience (while perhaps separate concepts during transport from the picture on the wall to the brain) may merge back together to be one thing… that software model of the environment. So… I don’t know if that helps or hurts your case. But I think your point is… OAIS needs process/mechanisms that are guaranteed to handle both traditional knowledge and less-tangible experiential knowledge... experience. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>I really like your example of the black-and-white picture on the wall. One person may take away only the memory of a black and white image on a wall, and nothing more. Another person, seeing the black-and-white image of soldiers in the trenches in WWI may take away only the knowledge that soldiers were dirty. Another may look into that image and be transported to that environment in WWI, experiencing it as much as the media allows. Which is knowledge and which is experience? May be difficult to draw the line. And if that photo of soldiers in WWI has Wonder Woman PhotoShopped into it, that conveys something completely different… fantasy rather than knowledge. Or can fantasy be knowledge also? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Anyhow… very thought-provoking. Thanks, Don. Hope I didn’t generate “spoilers” for those that haven’t read it yet. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'> -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Mike Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'>Huntsville, Alabama, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>D or C Sawyer<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> MOIMS DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Moims-dai] OAIS SC 235: OAIS Preservation Issues<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Menlo Regular",serif;mso-fareast-language:JA'>After taking a more detailed look at digital preservation concepts than I did originally as a co-editor of the OAIS RM, I now find I missed an important aspect of information and its presentation to human senses. There is also an error in Representation Information modeling as it is not always an Information Object. This paper is my attempt to pull this together into what I hope is understandable and convincing.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>