<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Mike,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks for your comments. A quick reading seems to me you certainly got my thrust in the first Discussion (section 2). I’m heading to Canada in the morning so will have to give you a more thorough response in a day or two.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers-</div><div class="">Don</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 16, 2018, at 6:34 PM, Mike Kearney <<a href="mailto:kearneysolutions@gmail.com" class="">kearneysolutions@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">Don, I have to say that was a well-crafted and thought-provoking writeup, especially the first section. I think I got both knowledge and an experience (pleasurable) out of reading that. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">All: I fully support Don’s suggestion to add experience preservation as a salient component of the concept of OAIS. Bear in mind that I’m the new guy, so that may or may not lend the concept credibility. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">Don, in the process of adding the missing component, you focused on the term “experience”. I have always held a concept that the brain maintains a “software model” of the environment. Once the sensory inputs come in, they add to that software model and the increasing fidelity of that model can, I think, be equated to gaining knowledge and experience. In support of that, here’s a statement from a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1003422" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">professional article</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that says “</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">the brain represents a model of its environment and offers predictions about the world.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">That software model of the environment in the brain may be where knowledge and experience (while perhaps separate concepts during transport from the picture on the wall to the brain) may merge back together to be one thing… that software model of the environment. So… I don’t know if that helps or hurts your case. But I think your point is… OAIS needs process/mechanisms that are guaranteed to handle both traditional knowledge and less-tangible experiential knowledge... experience. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">I really like your example of the black-and-white picture on the wall. One person may take away only the memory of a black and white image on a wall, and nothing more. Another person, seeing the black-and-white image of soldiers in the trenches in WWI may take away only the knowledge that soldiers were dirty. Another may look into that image and be transported to that environment in WWI, experiencing it as much as the media allows. Which is knowledge and which is experience? May be difficult to draw the line. And if that photo of soldiers in WWI has Wonder Woman PhotoShopped into it, that conveys something completely different… fantasy rather than knowledge. Or can fantasy be knowledge also? <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">Anyhow… very thought-provoking. Thanks, Don. Hope I didn’t generate “spoilers” for those that haven’t read it yet. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""> -=- Mike<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">Mike Kearney<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class="">Huntsville, Alabama, USA<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>D or C Sawyer<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 16, 2018 10:53 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>MOIMS DAI List <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Moims-dai] OAIS SC 235: OAIS Preservation Issues<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class="">All,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: "Menlo Regular", serif;" class="">After taking a more detailed look at digital preservation concepts than I did originally as a co-editor of the OAIS RM, I now find I missed an important aspect of information and its presentation to human senses. There is also an error in Representation Information modeling as it is not always an Information Object. This paper is my attempt to pull this together into what I hope is understandable and convincing.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">MOIMS-DAI mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="mailto:MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">MOIMS-DAI@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>