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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>In case this not get to MOIMS-DAI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> MOIMS [mailto:moims-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mario.Merri@esa.int<br><b>Sent:</b> 27 September 2016 18:26<br><b>To:</b> moims@mailman.ccsds.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MOIMS] [CESG] MOSSG Report<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>FYI</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:purple'>----- Forwarded by Mario Merri/esoc/ESA on 27/09/2016 19:26 -----</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>From: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>></span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>To: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"<a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a>>, "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec(cesg" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>Date: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>26/09/2016 23:22</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>Subject: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Re: [CESG] MOSSG Report</span> <br><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by: </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"CESG" <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=3 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nestor,</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Here is the SEA feedback on this MOSSG report. There are many issues, but to boil them down into just a few major themes, it looks like this:</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>1) They ignore IOAG Cat #1 and Cat #2. If there is a relationship it is unstated. </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>2) They ignore all of the underlying CCSDS and Internet standards that provide the essential communications fabric that any applications services require.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>3) They state that this is all about interoperability, but then do not tie down most of the interfaces, application protocols, data objects, or communications layers in a way where that could be achieved.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>4) They take random pot-shots at IOAG Cat#2 and internetworking, such as stating (on pg 13): "</span><span style='color:#0082BF'>They do not require the overall, global management of a common resource like the Solar System Internetwork in Service Catalog #2. Thus, a global Service Management Framework is not required a priori. Service management is required for MO services, however, and is supported via the Interoperability Framework. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>" In fact, what they do appear to require is the "<b><i>global framework that is the Interoperability Framework</i></b>", but that is not defined in any clear set of interoperable specs. As this is worded there is no one set of "framework" specs.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>5) They do not clearly define the set of information / data objects that must appear at any set of application level interfaces.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Feel free to use this as you see fit.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards, Peter</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span> <br><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Nestor Peccia <<a href="mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int">Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</a>><b><br>Date: </b>Monday, August 22, 2016 at 3:00 PM<b><br>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><b><br>Subject: </b>[CESG] MOSSG Report</span> <br> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Dear all</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>FYI and review</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>I will add a point on the agenda of the next CESG webex</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>If it is possible, your views are more than welcome (preferqbly prior to the 7th Sept)</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>ciao</span> <span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br>\nestor</span> <br><br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>content is not permitted.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender.</span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span> <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.<tt>_______________________________________________</tt><br><tt>CESG mailing list</tt><br><tt><a href="mailto:CESG@mailman.ccsds.org">CESG@mailman.ccsds.org</a></tt><br></span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cesg"><tt><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cesg</span></tt></a><o:p></o:p></p><pre>This message and any attachments are intended for the use of the addressee or addressees only.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The unauthorised disclosure, use, dissemination or copying (either in whole or in part) of its<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>content is not permitted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>If you received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete it from your system.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Emails can be altered and their integrity cannot be guaranteed by the sender.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Please consider the environment before printing this email.<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>