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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Comments from Peter for PAIS GB<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Shames, Peter M (312B) [mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov] <br><b>Sent:</b> 28 August 2016 02:01<br><b>To:</b> David Giaretta <david@giaretta.org><br><b>Cc:</b> CCSDS Secretariat <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016, attachment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>This time with correct address & attachment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 12:02 PM<br><b>To: </b>David Giaretta <<a href="mailto:D.L.Giaretta@rl.ac.uk">D.L.Giaretta@rl.ac.uk</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Tom Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Dear David,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My apologies for not getting this response to you in time for it to be included in the CESG results. Since it is late you are free to ignore it, but I am sending it along because I think it contains information that you and your WG may find valuable. Do with it what you will.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The document, overall, appears to be a quite good piece of work. It is extensive and comprehensive and should be of value to users trying to implement the PAIS spec.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>In reading through it I did find a number of places, particularly in the introductory sections, where I think things could have been more clearly stated. For example, the connections between the objects in figures 3-1, -2, and -3 seem to be rather loosely specified. Objects and related object types appear with no stated relationships. A class diagram for that might provide useful. Figures 3-5 and 3-6 could appear earlier in the chapter. Colors are used in these figures, and they appear to have some meaning, but the semantics associated with them, if they are meaningful, are nowhere stated.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Since a part of this document is related to XML, and CCSDS XML schema are stored in the SANA, which is mentioned, a reference to the SANA really should be included. Furthermore, there are a number of items referenced in this document, such as producer IDs, source IDs, and the like which really should be leveraging the available registries in the SANA. These are all described in the recently published Registry Management Policy (CCSDS 313.1-Y-1) and the related Procedure for SANA Registry Specification, a guideline for WGs, titled CCSDS 313.2-Y-1. The documents have been in circulation within the CESG for a year or more and they were published a few months ago. In order to move all CCSDS documents into compliance all newly published documents are expected to adopt these features.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>My suggestion is that you consider rectifying these issues before sending the document on for CMC approval.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Best regards, Peter</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>CESG-All <<a href="mailto:cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Tom Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 1:01 PM<br><b>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG All <<a href="mailto:cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[Cesg-all] Results of CESG Poll closing 24 August 2016</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2016-08-001 <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Approval to publish CCSDS 651.2-G-1, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Producer-Archive Interface Specification (PAIS)—A <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Tutorial (Green Book, Issue 1)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Results of CESG poll beginning 10 August 2016 and ending 24 August 2016:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> Abstain: 1 (14.29%) (Calzolari)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> Approve Unconditionally: 5 (71.43%) (Merri, Behal, Scott, Cola, Barton)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> Approve with Conditions: 1 (14.29%) (Barkley)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Erik Barkley (Approve with Conditions): 1) Minor <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>editorial condition: In the acronyms section <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>normalize font for the PDI -- it is in bold font, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>while all other acroynms are in regular font.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>*Not* conditions -- only a general longer-term consideration:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>a) Consider registering the schema namespace <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>("urn:ccsds:schema:pais:1") in SANA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Total Respondents: 7<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>No response was received from the following Area(s):<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>SEA<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved with Conditions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>PROPOSED SECRETARIAT ACTION: Generate <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>CMC poll after conditions have been addressed<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>CESG-All mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="mailto:CESG-All@mailman.ccsds.org">CESG-All@mailman.ccsds.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cesg-all">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cesg-all</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></body></html>