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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>OK with what you have. I think it’s more important to get it out than to work on small wording differences.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Only thought I have on putting the mailing list address in the message is that it will be circulated very widely and will show up a lot of places. Don’t know if that will invite more spam and more disruptors on the list. On the other hand, most of the spam should be caught automatically. So whatever you think. I’m good either way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wishing you prosperity and peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>-JOhn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi John <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>My point was that the organisation of meetings and telecons happens through the mailing list – joining the list is the way to participate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I suggest<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>“If you wish to participate in the discussions of the suggested changes to OAIS and ISO 16363, please join the MOIMS_DAI mailing list at <a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a>. This mailing list will be used to co-ordinate discussions and meetings.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Garrett<br><b>Sent:</b> 27 July 2016 19:22<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I would like the opportunity to perhaps sign up new long term participants who might show up physically at meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think we have enough people who can only participate in telecons. I don’t think that impresses the CESG and CMC much. I also think that having some people who participate only in telecons could allow greater disruptions than someone who would actually be committing more resources to physically participate. That being said, I also would still allow someone who would only participate remotely. Many of our current members participate only that way and they make great contributions. Too bad that we even need to be concerned about disruptors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Looking back at your message, I see you were talking about mailing list more than telecons. Less chance to really be a pain on just the mailing list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>But as I said above, I think we need to recruit more physical participation to remain a viable CCSDS WG. That’s my view. Mike may be in a better position to comment on how CESG and CMC sees us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wishing you prosperity and peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>-JOhn<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 3:45 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Could we just point out that people can join the MOIMS-DAI mailing list? That will allow them to take part in all the discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>..David <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Garrett<br><b>Sent:</b> 27 July 2016 02:54<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I think that we should keep the paragraph inviting possible participation in the update work. I know we will have an update group, but we need to reach out and encourage new participation in this group.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>It is possible that we may be inviting disruptors, but we were all the new disruptors once. This paragraph was in the call when we distributed before the last update 10 years ago and it didn’t result in that many new participants. Many potential disruptors won’t have resources behind them. And most disruptors don’t have enough interest to continue participating when the other participants hold the line on what we expect the standard to be and on what CCSDS has approved. And a failsafe that we have is that officially in CCSDS, their home nation’s Space Agency needs to approve their participation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Another reason is that we want the ISO review to not bring up any new comments. We want all the comments and problems coming up during development of the CCSDS version. It causes real problems to have an approved CCSDS issue and then have to create a new issue (even for minor changes) due to comments only coming in during the ISO review. During the ISO review, we can’t really prevent anyone from participating since the comments come in through any ISO country’s review.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Wishing you prosperity and peace,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>-JOhn <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Kearney<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Comments attached. Mostly editorial. Sorry to have found more comments after our long discussion this morning. David, you should keep or toss them as you see fit, no need for further discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mike Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Huntsville, Alabama, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> MOIMS-DAI [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:50 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'MOIMS DAI List' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Moims-dai] Final draft of notification<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Last comments by COB today. I’ll send out the final version to this list tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>..David<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>