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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Some thoughts, considerations:<br>
      – indicate some mechanism for AIP Identity as well as
      relationships between AIPs captured in Provenance<br>
      – mention system management,  system protection and relevant
      security measures/processes<br>
      --- defense in depth, not just at the edges<br>
      --- integrated with physical and personnel security tracking, like
      access logs for buildings, systems and applications<br>
      <br>
      On 7/11/2016 9:37 AM, David Giaretta wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">How
            about this for the layer diagram?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It
            is quite complex, and could be simplified later, but it
            seemed useful to show where as many things as possible fit
            for this version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">..David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            name="_MailEndCompose"><span
              style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
        <span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> Moims-dai
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On
                  Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 11 July 2016 11:17<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion'
                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org"><moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Draft proposals: Future
                work and CMC pitch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            like the positive case about DAI – will send comments later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
            am trying to update the diagram to have more of a link to
            OAIS – showing an AIP layer. We also had a diagram in Annex
            E of OAIS showing a layered information model from bits up
            to a generic application layer. Some ideas of that may also
            be useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Will
            try to send out my ideas later today.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also
            spoke to an Italian colleague – they are developing an
            exchange schema for what it calls “interoperability in the
            migration processes” – I’ll ask if I can circulate the rough
            translation of the draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">..David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> Moims-dai [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Kearney<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> 08 July 2016 22:05<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a></a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Draft proposals: Future
                work and CMC pitch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Meant
            to also address Don’s suggestion:  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">Ø<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">  </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">My approach would be to divide up the ‘data
            space’ much as shown in your diagram, and then have one or
            two people develop a starting set of services for each
            space.  <span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">That’s
            exactly what SM&C did.  Those bindings in the “messaging
            layer” were done by agencies, where each had a special
            interest.  For example, ESA did a binding to PUS (Packet
            Utilization Standard).  NASA JSC did a binding to TCP/IP.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Like
            any CCSDS project the funding/resource issues will dominate
            the list of obstacles.  SM&C had a lot of trouble
            getting agencies to develop specific bindings and then
            prototype them.  But over the years they have developed a
            suite of services at that bottom layer.  In the future
            utopian archive world, agencies and organizations with the
            interest would pick them up.  In the long run, if this gains
            critical mass, I’ll bet a presentation at the IIPC would
            find a number of volunteer organizations willing to develop
            the web/HTML binding specification and prototyped plug-in. 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">  
              -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Mike
              Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Huntsville,
              Alabama, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                lang="EN-US"> Mike Kearney [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:kearneysolutions@gmail.com">mailto:kearneysolutions@gmail.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 8, 2016 3:58 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a></a>><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Moims-dai] Draft proposals: Future
                work and CMC pitch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"
          style="margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0
          level1 lfo4"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family:Wingdings" lang="EN-US"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">Ø<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">  </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
            lang="EN-US">Do we know if anyone has tried generating a
            broadly applicable abstraction for general data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Well, one that is
            very close at hand is the Message Abstraction Layer that has
            been developed by the SM&C working group and implemented
            by several agencies.  It handles exchange of messages from
            above and below, and the “below” interfaces are a multitude
            of bindings to various network and link transport
            technologies.  Hence my analogy to a multitude of bindings
            to unique archives for various disciplines.  And they deal
            heavily with registries at each interface, so I think it’s
            not a large leap to deal with archive metadata.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Here’s the diagram
            from their framework book.  Notice the common
            consumer/provider terminology.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Exactly how broadly
            applicable it is for general data would be something to
            explore.  But I thought it would be best to hold off on
            those discussions with SM&C until we fully discussed it
            within DAI.   It certainly is broadly applicable for putting
            any data type into a messaging/transport interface, which
            might be a good indication that it’s pretty broad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">In that bottom
            “messaging technology” layer are bindings for TCP/IP, DTN,
            various link layer comm technologies, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">   -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Mike Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Huntsville, Alabama,
            USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original
            Message-----<br>
            From: Moims-dai [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
            On Behalf Of D or C Sawyer<br>
            Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 3:34 PM<br>
            To: MOIMS DAI List <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
            Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] Draft proposals: Future work and
            CMC pitch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Since it is unlikely
            I’ll make the next Telecon (heading to Canada), I thought
            I’d offer a perspective or two on the slide showing a
            possible abstract data layer. Unlike with various targeted
            communication protocols dealing with spacecraft, the scope
            of the existing data services is much more diverse in my
            opinion.  That said, it would be an interesting challenge to
            explore.  My approach would be to divide up the ‘data space’
            much as shown in your diagram, and then have one or two
            people develop a starting set of services for each space. 
            Then do an investigation of the actual services in whatever
            scope of applicability (all communities, only certain
            disciplines, etc.) was set for the abstract layer in order
            to not miss any that are important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Do we know if  anyone
            has tried generating a broadly applicable abstraction for
            general data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">On Jul 8, 2016, at
            12:11 PM, Mike Kearney <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:kearneysolutions@gmail.com"><span
                style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">kearneysolutions@gmail.com</span></a>>
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Sorry if this
            seems totally out-of-the-blue, but we’ve talked around these
            topics, and I decided to try to put my thoughts on paper (or
            PPT anyhow).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> This starts with
            a DAI discussion about future work in protocols/APIs,
            Architecture, and then branches off to a presentation for
            the CCSDS CMC on that topic and a few other topics.   I
            figured the best way to describe where I suggest we go is to
            put it in words advocating it to management. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> This in no way
            tries to derail the current work.  If you look at the
            proposed (very drafty) schedule, this new work kicks in
            after the current project and the OAIS revision is over.   I
            think.  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> So, I’d like to
            discuss this at an upcoming DAI telecon.  There’s no rush on
            this, so if there are other topics for next Tuesday, it can
            be later. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Thanks, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>    -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Mike Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> Huntsville,
            Alabama, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">>  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US">> <Discussion
            points for CMC concerns
            7-8-2016.pptx>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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