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<div>Yes I agree.</div><div><br></div><div>An interesting point is the distinction between project life cycle and the process groups.</div><div>The process groups seem to have been introduced to cover some of the issues we have been discussing.</div><div><br></div><div>Where PMBOK talks about information it is related to planning and monitoring. We are interested in information about the product.</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung device</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Robert R Downs <rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu> <br>Date: 09/05/2016 21:47 (GMT+00:00) <br>To: moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org <br>Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc <br><br>I believe that we would need to paraphrase if we are to bring in <br>definitions from PMBOK.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Bob<br><br>On 5/9/2016 4:41 PM, David Giaretta wrote:<br>> I was not familiar with PMBOK, and the document is not free, which restricts<br>> familiarity.<br>><br>> It seems to me we can refer to the PMBOK but we will have to paraphrase<br>> various concepts to capture the sense of it. It is the logic that matters.<br>> That would also be necessary for copyright reasons. I guess we may need to<br>> use some PMBOK definitions - can we do that or do we need to paraphrase?<br>><br>> ..David<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org<br>> [mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of D or C Sawyer<br>> Sent: 09 May 2016 21:27<br>> To: MOIMS DAI List <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org><br>> Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc<br>><br>> Looks promising to me. Do you think the rest of the PMBOK would resonate<br>> with the communities we're familiar with? Bob probably has a view on this.<br>><br>> cheers-<br>> Don<br>><br>> On May 9, 2016, at 10:03 AM, David Giaretta <david@giaretta.org> wrote:<br>><br>>> Now the wedding is out of the way, I managed to buy a printed copy of the<br>> PMBOK 5th edition - which I believe is the latest version.<br>>> <br>>> The way it describes the process groups is very interesting. The way I<br>> read it the intention seems very similar to my understanding of what we are<br>> talking about but the way it is explained is much clearer. For example, the<br>> introduction to process groups says:<br>>> "The following sections identify and describe 5 project management process<br>> groups required for any project. These 5 process groups have clear<br>> dependencies and are typically performed in each project and highly interact<br>> with one another. These 5 process groups are independent of application<br>> areas or industry focus. Individual process groups and individual processes<br>> are often iterated prior to completing the project and can have interactions<br>> within a process group and among process groups. The nature of these<br>> interactions varies from project to project and may or may not be performed<br>> in a particular order."<br>>> The 5 groups are<br>>> - Initiating<br>>> - Planning<br>>> - Executing<br>>> - Closing<br>>> - Monitoring and controlling<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> The Monitoring and controlling is an overarching activity - see the<br>> attachment. The first 4 stages align very well - it depends how much we<br>> want to stress _exploit_ and _disposition_. Monitoring and controlling could<br>> fit very well as an overarching activity to make sure the appropriate<br>> "Additional Information" is captured.<br>>> <br>>> Interestingly later in that section there is a table with the process<br>> groups along the top and a number of "knowledge areas" down the side - see<br>> attachment. In many of the cells there are more specific bullet points which<br>> point to sections later in the book. The majority of the book is taken up<br>> expanding each of those cells.<br>>> <br>>> I see a lot of similarity of approach with ours and it would be relatively<br>> straightforward to make the adjustment to align our document with the PMBOK<br>> approach.<br>>> <br>>> Regards<br>>> <br>>> ..David<br>>><br>> <pmbok-process-groups.jpg><pmbok-table.jpg>_________________________________<br>> ______________<br>>> Moims-dai mailing list<br>>> Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br>>> http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Moims-dai mailing list<br>> Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br>> http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Moims-dai mailing list<br>> Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br>> http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Moims-dai mailing list<br>Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br>http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai<br></body></html>