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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">David, <br>
In addtion to information about the product, we're interested in
information as the product. <br>
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terry<br>
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On 5/9/2016 5:33 PM, David Giaretta wrote:<br>
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<div>Yes I agree.</div>
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<div>An interesting point is the distinction between project life
cycle and the process groups.</div>
<div>The process groups seem to have been introduced to cover some
of the issues we have been discussing.</div>
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<div>Where PMBOK talks about information it is related to planning
and monitoring. We are interested in information about the
product.</div>
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<div>David</div>
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From: Robert R Downs <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu"><rdowns@ciesin.columbia.edu></a> <br>
Date: 09/05/2016 21:47 (GMT+00:00) <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc <br>
<br>
I believe that we would need to paraphrase if we are to bring in <br>
definitions from PMBOK.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Bob<br>
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On 5/9/2016 4:41 PM, David Giaretta wrote:<br>
> I was not familiar with PMBOK, and the document is not free,
which restricts<br>
> familiarity.<br>
><br>
> It seems to me we can refer to the PMBOK but we will have to
paraphrase<br>
> various concepts to capture the sense of it. It is the logic
that matters.<br>
> That would also be necessary for copyright reasons. I guess
we may need to<br>
> use some PMBOK definitions - can we do that or do we need to
paraphrase?<br>
><br>
> ..David<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] On Behalf Of D
or C Sawyer<br>
> Sent: 09 May 2016 21:27<br>
> To: MOIMS DAI List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org"><moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org></a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Moims-dai] PMBOK guide and the ICF doc<br>
><br>
> Looks promising to me. Do you think the rest of the PMBOK
would resonate<br>
> with the communities we're familiar with? Bob probably has a
view on this.<br>
><br>
> cheers-<br>
> Don<br>
><br>
> On May 9, 2016, at 10:03 AM, David Giaretta
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david@giaretta.org"><david@giaretta.org></a> wrote:<br>
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>> Now the wedding is out of the way, I managed to buy a
printed copy of the<br>
> PMBOK 5th edition - which I believe is the latest version.<br>
>> <br>
>> The way it describes the process groups is very
interesting. The way I<br>
> read it the intention seems very similar to my understanding
of what we are<br>
> talking about but the way it is explained is much clearer.
For example, the<br>
> introduction to process groups says:<br>
>> "The following sections identify and describe 5 project
management process<br>
> groups required for any project. These 5 process groups have
clear<br>
> dependencies and are typically performed in each project and
highly interact<br>
> with one another. These 5 process groups are independent of
application<br>
> areas or industry focus. Individual process groups and
individual processes<br>
> are often iterated prior to completing the project and can
have interactions<br>
> within a process group and among process groups. The nature
of these<br>
> interactions varies from project to project and may or may
not be performed<br>
> in a particular order."<br>
>> The 5 groups are<br>
>> - Initiating<br>
>> - Planning<br>
>> - Executing<br>
>> - Closing<br>
>> - Monitoring and controlling<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> The Monitoring and controlling is an overarching activity
- see the<br>
> attachment. The first 4 stages align very well - it depends
how much we<br>
> want to stress _exploit_ and _disposition_. Monitoring and
controlling could<br>
> fit very well as an overarching activity to make sure the
appropriate<br>
> "Additional Information" is captured.<br>
>> <br>
>> Interestingly later in that section there is a table with
the process<br>
> groups along the top and a number of "knowledge areas" down
the side - see<br>
> attachment. In many of the cells there are more specific
bullet points which<br>
> point to sections later in the book. The majority of the book
is taken up<br>
> expanding each of those cells.<br>
>> <br>
>> I see a lot of similarity of approach with ours and it
would be relatively<br>
> straightforward to make the adjustment to align our document
with the PMBOK<br>
> approach.<br>
>> <br>
>> Regards<br>
>> <br>
>> ..David<br>
>><br>
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