<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12px"><div>Vint Cerf used the development of the internet as the example to be followed for digital preservation interoperability. Over simplified, the internet is a communications appliance, doing for data exchange what software such as ESRI, MS Office, etc. do for data creation and standardization. The internet development preceded/created the need for data exchange, just as OAIS did in establishing the model for digital preservation repositories to follow to achieve digital preservation in more diverse ways. </div><div><br /></div><div>To use the internet you must follow a specific protocol. OAIS compliance can be achieved in many combinations, i.e. the path to becoming a certifiable digital preservation can be multiple and quite diverse.</div><div><br /></div><div>We should ficus on our major goal first - certification of digital repositories as being appropriate long term preservation repositories. We should both develop protocols as DAI is now doing and demonstrate how pre-established protocol such as PREMIS, Dublin Core, PRONOM registry, the Art & Architecture Thesaurus, fully developed Preservation Description Information, etc. can further that primary focus. The more subparts that are/can be stadardized, the closer we get to interoperability.</div><div><br /></div><div>In 1994-1995 we were at or before the cutting edge as a multitude of disciplines and designated communities faced what to do with their long term data reuse needs. Since then those same disciplines, communities, and repositories, using OAIS as their framework, adapting their pre-existing paper controls and vocabularies moved, in some cases to interoperable protocols and in other instances to "stovepipe" solutions which work for them but may leave them isolated or requiring a user to work with multiple solutions as they reuse information from multiple sources</div><div><br /></div><div>To move a community where some repositories use multiple CDs in separate storage areas as their digital preservation scheme and others have multi-million dollar systems to a common protocol is possible but is a long range goal. We can prepare for this but we should be focusing first on developing a core of certified repositories. That has been our "chicken and egg" problem for nearly a decade.</div><div> </div><div> </div><div style="border-top:1px solid #bcbcbc;margin:5px 0px;"></div><span style="font-size:12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;">On 04/22/16, <span>David Giaretta<david@giaretta.org></span> wrote:</span><div> </div><div style="font-size:12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Bruce</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t think that the intention was to say that ALL repositories want to be interoperable. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The way I interpreted it was that in order to increase use of the standards and also to add value to what is being preserved by increasing its usefulness – interoperability is one important way of doing that. I think we should take that on board and try to show how DAI/RAC standards can be used both for preservation and also for adding value. </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">..David </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a class="parsedLink" href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:bambacher@verizon.net" target="_blank">bambacher@verizon.net</a><br /><b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2016 20:38<br /><b>To:</b> <a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Notes on meeting with Vint Cerf</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">If I may make an observation:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1. All of this presumes all digital repositories want to be interoperable, which they may not.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Vint Cerf appears to seriously minimize the number of spplications and software used to create digital records requiring preservation. NARA's scope of the problem study found 15,000+ applications and software routines in use in the federal government. It is hard enough to crosswalk between geospatial applications let alone cross walking between geospatial applications and office applications and CAD-CAM applications. I could be over reaching his intentions but even if he only called for inter-operability within a specific discipline, designated community, or data type that is a large problem.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. Recall the approach of a few test audit sites that ingested data only in a single pre-approved SPSS format, essentially frozen in 30+ years old structure. They dictated to their Designated Community. They would not fit Mr. Cerf's generic protocol for sharing data.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. We need to assert our original goal of developing a standard and an audit process to evaluate digital repositories against that standard as to their ability to operate a digital repository that can accept digital data, preserve it, and provide it in a usable form to a user when requested. If we cannot find or develop that market, we certainly cannot develop Vint Cerf's under developed concepts. </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">5. We should obviously respond, thank him, state our position and how it fits his challenge. But, unless he can provide funding and/or FTE to pursue the issue, it is beyond our scope of effort.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On 04/20/16, David Giaretta<<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:david@giaretta.org" target="_blank">david@giaretta.org</a>> wrote:</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Any objections/updates/additions/corrections?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">..David</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%" /></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br />_______________________________________________<br />Moims-dai mailing list<br /><a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br /><a href="http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a></span></p></div></div></div><br /><hr size="1" /><br />_______________________________________________<br />Moims-dai mailing list<br /><a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org" target="_blank">Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br /><a class="parsedLink" href="http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai" target="_blank">http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai</a><br /></div></div>