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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Digital vellum candidates may include statistics such as hashes, HMACs, etc..
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That said, there are other schemes for preserving information such as textual criticism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Brent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mike Kearney [mailto:kearneysolutions@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 04, 2016 1:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As you said, the “digital vellum” is just a metaphor for old types of writing that needs to be preserved. I think Vint intended to simply talk at
a higher level, advocating all types of Digital Preservation, not including or excluding any give flavor. But we can fix that…
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I suggest a two-pronged effort. (1) I’ll send him a note with comments that for his talk at GSFC, he needs to make sure he addresses the space science community, and here are
some thoughts that he could express (addressing David’s concerns), and; (2) Some DAI guys meet with him before his talk and sensitize him to the needs of our community. And I’m betting if we did that, it would carry over to his talks in other locations.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vint is the “evangelist”… basically a cheerleader. So we should simply explain to him the cheers we want to hear. I think he believes he’s currently cheering for all Data
Preservation, and the nuance of our particular flavor of DP hasn’t surfaced in his talk (although he supports RDA so I think he knows it’s a requirement).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But in my mind the *<b>most</b>* important thing he could address would be NASA’s need to participate in and properly fund data preservation, particularly the DAI WG. And I
think he’s open to making that statement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sound OK? I’ll start composing a draft note to him, and run it by you guys. (next week, probably).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> -=- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike Kearney<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Huntsville, Alabama, USA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 4, 2016 11:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi John<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As I recall the digital vellum made the point that things written on vellum were readable hundreds of years later.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The point I made was that even if one wrote the numbers from a data file on vellum it would not be usable years later or even right noe because there would be no semantics with the numbers - do they represent temperature, pressure etc and
what units?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#575757">Sent from my Samsung device<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: John Garrett <<a href="mailto:garrett@his.com">garrett@his.com</a>> <br>
Date: 04/03/2016 17:35 (GMT+00:00) <br>
To: 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
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Subject: RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi David,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I haven’t looked into what he is proposing. Perhaps you could provide us with some ideas of what ideas you passed on to him previously and then we can
reinforce them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m assuming that Digital Vellum could be good solution for the publications subset of the archival problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Wishing you prosperity and peace,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">-JOhn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Giaretta<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 4, 2016 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion' <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">I heard Vint Cerf talking about Digital Vellum previously and made the point to him that what he was talking about was no good for data.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB">..David</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a> [<a href="mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">mailto:moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Caillet Claire<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 04 March 2016 15:30<br>
<b>To:</b> MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <<a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I will be in Cleveland to attend the CCSDS meeting, I will not obtain a travel approval to go to GFSC but I hope we could set up a teleconference.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">I hope to meet you all soon.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> Robert R Downs<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mercredi 2 mars 2016 15:29<br>
<b>À :</b> <a href="mailto:moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org">moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Moims-dai] Vint Cert to present "Digital Vellum" talk at GSFC on April 4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="FR">John -<br>
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I also would be interested in attending a DAI WG Meeting at GSFC on April 4th and in attending Vint Cerf's talk the same day, but would need to obtain formal travel approval to attend these events and also would need to be able to gain admittance to GSFC.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
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Bob<br>
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Robert R. Downs, PhD<br>
Senior Digital Archivist and Senior Staff Associate Officer of Research<br>
Acting Head of Cyberinfrastructure and Informatics Research and Development<br>
Center for International Earth Science Information Network (CIESIN),<br>
The Earth Institute, Columbia University<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">On 3/1/2016 6:09 PM, Terry Longstreth - VP Administration wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I would forego all other forms of entertainment to seek Vint Cerf again. If you can get us into Goddard for that I'll definitely go the Colloquium.<br>
Terry<br>
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On 3/1/2016 11:29 AM, John Garrett wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">Vint Cerf will be the monthly speaker at GSFC’s Engineering Colloquium. A link to the announcement is:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR"><a href="https://ecolloq.gsfc.nasa.gov/Current/announce.cerf.html">https://ecolloq.gsfc.nasa.gov/Current/announce.cerf.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">The date actually coincides with the scheduled Spring meetings of CCSDS in Cleveland. However, it seems that most DAI members have funding constraints or conflicting
events (including some at GSFC) that are preventing attendance at Cleveland. I was thinking it might be possible to at least get a subset of the DAI WG together at GSFC. Maybe we could attend Vint Cerf’s talk together and also spend some time discussing
DAI’s projects. If several of us met physically, we could probably set up a telecon to include other DAI WG members at Cleveland or other remote locations.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">Who will be at Cleveland?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">Who could make it to GSFC?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">Wishing you prosperity and peace,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="FR">-JOhn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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