<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Hi Danièle,</font><br><br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">It occurs to me (maybe a bit late) that
the METS Editorial board could be interested in reviewing the METS test
case. Could I pass the document on to them? Or do you prefer to wait until
it is validated by the group?</font><br><br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">All the best,</font><br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>Bertrand Caron<br>Département Information bibliographique et numérique<br>Bibliothèque nationale de France<br>Quai François Mauriac<br>75706 Paris Cedex 13<br>01 53 79 42 23<br>bertrand.caron@bnf.fr<br></font><br><table border width=100%><tr valign=top><td bgcolor=white><br><img src=cid:_1_0C3427B00C3423C8004A6400C1257E11><br><br><br><td bgcolor=white><table width=100%><tr valign=top><td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Message de : </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>Boucon
Daniele <Daniele.Boucon@cnes.fr></b> </font><br><font size=1 face="Arial"> </font><font size=1 face="Arial"> </font><font size=1 face="Arial"> </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">21/03/2015 00:06</font><td><br><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Envoyé par : </font><br><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>moims-dai-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</b></font><tr valign=top><td><table border width=100%><tr valign=top><td width=100% bgcolor=#c9dbdb><div align=center><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>Veuillez répondre à
MOIMS-Data Archive Ingestion <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org></b></font></div></table><p><td></table><p><table width=100%><tr valign=top><td bgcolor=white><div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Pour</font></div><td bgcolor=white><font size=1 face="sans-serif">MOIMS DAI List <moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org></font><tr valign=top><td bgcolor=white><div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Copie</font></div><td bgcolor=white><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Donald & Carolann
Sawyer <Sawyer@acm.org>, "execdir@codata.org" <execdir@codata.org>,
"Sarah Jones \(HATII\)" <Sarah.Jones@glasgow.ac.uk>,
"joy.davidson@glasgow.ac.uk" <joy.davidson@glasgow.ac.uk></font><tr valign=top><td bgcolor=white><div align=right><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Objet</font></div><td bgcolor=white><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[Moims-dai] Minutes of
20th March DAI telecon</font></table><br></table><br><br><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Hi all,</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Please find below the minutes of today
telecon. Feel free to correct or comment.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u>Next telecons</u>: </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">1. CCSDS meeting from 23</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>rd</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">to 27</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>th</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">March, Caltech</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">2.Friday 24</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>th</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">April (15h EU time, 9h US time-Washington) </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">To share screen:</font><table><tr><td><td><a href=https://webconference.cnes.fr/ccsds_24_april/><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><u>https://webconference.cnes.fr/ccsds_24_april/</u></font></a></table><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><u>=>Agenda (2 different parts, 1 hour
each)</u>: </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">1</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>st</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">hour: (15-16h EU time, 9-10h US time)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">* METS test case (if necessary)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">* Core GB </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">2</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>nd</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">hour: (16-17h EU time, 10-11h US time)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">* ICP : generic description for stages,
different scenarii </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><u>If available, proposal
to use Dave's new number for the sound</u></font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><u>:</u></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Dave Williams<br>Telecon information </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">+1-844-467-6272 USA
Toll Free</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">+1-720-259-6462 Others</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Passcode: 841727</font><table><tr><td></table><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Best regards,</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Daniele</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">__________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=4 color=red face="Calibri"><b>20th March meeting minutes</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DB: Daniele Boucon </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DG: David Giaretta </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DS: Don Sawyer </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">ES: Esther Conway </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">JG: John Garrett </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">MM: Mike Martin (NASA)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">RD: Robert Downs </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: Stephane Mbaye</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SR: Stephane Reecht</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">BC: Bertrand Caron (BnF)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">PT: Jean-Philippe Tramoni (BnF)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">WG: all</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>D=Decision, A=action (other = discussion)</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=4 face="Calibri"><b>1 METS test case</b> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">1.1 Review of the BnF document:</font><div><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Validation of updates by all.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Comment JGG1: Should we add a sentence
or two to explain the motivation for using METS instead of XFDU? =>Add
a sentence explaining that it is more used in library domain.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> Comment JGG2: Are your SLAs executable
or are they documents? Or processes? => Answer: yes, explain</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Comment BC3: We allow replacement (edition)
or update (new version) of an existing SIP. In this case, the new SIP would
include two TO groups instead of one.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Addition JGG: Will previous editions or
previous versions remain in the repository? Are OCR and epub both
allowed in the “ocr” group? The MoT may need to be adjusted to
allow for some of these options.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">=>answer: every version of the packages
are preserved, add clarification. Replace “completes” by “updated”</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Format/Mime type: only one allowed per
Data Object.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DS: if there is a need for multiple formats
allowed, the the PAIS descriptor extension point could be used (interesting
to test).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">BC: is there a possibility to indicate
a date of validity?</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DS: no, but also possible to define it
through the PAIS descriptor extension point.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">1.2 Review of the spreadsheet</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Discussion on terminology used at BnF to
define “group”. To avoid ambiguity, speak for example about “METS element”,
“BnF specific group”.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Add a sentence in the text explaining that
XFDU and METS have similar high level structure.</font><br><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>A=>(BnF)</b>: update the document
according to 20</font><font size=1 face="Calibri"><sup>th</sup></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">March telecon (1.1 and 1.2).</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"></font><br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><b>2
Core PAIS GB</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">New updates sent by DS, but not enough
time for discussion on this subject.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">There is still a lot to do sections 4 and
5. </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">The objective –next week- is to work on
this part, analyze the “to be done”, and identify the priorities.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">2. </font><font size=4 face="Calibri"><b>4
Information Curation Process -ICP</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">MM sent a proposal for a general paragraph
to introduce the 4 stages -> to be more discussed.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DG sent a simplified version of the synthetic
spreadsheet for stages.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Roadmap to be clarified (what the intention
is).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Identification of a generic skeleton, and
of specific elements. In each stage, which topics are very important for
preservation.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">MM: there is no standard for Data Management
Plan.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DG: collaboration between RDA and CCSDS.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">*RDA: requirements for Data Management
Plan. Good visibility, NO publication process</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">*CCSDS: publication process, NO good visibility.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Confirmation of a need for detailed use
cases with supporting text.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Decision: 3 spreadsheet: a generic one,
a copy with adaptation for library test case, a copy with adaptation for
EO data-LTDP (space mission).</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Discussion Data Management/Preservation/Curation
and adding value. RDA proposes a diagram with 2 sides: support and tools.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">RD: providing access and data format could
be a short term issue.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DB: in the spreadsheet, the “consumer”
does not appear as an actor. The consumer provides needs and requirements
for data access, services, … and checks the usability of the data. Also
appears “Funder” and “Sponsor”.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">RD: a sponsor has a wider role than the
funder. </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Objective for next week -> work on the
spreadsheet.</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=4 face="Calibri"><b>Other points</b></font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">CNES PAIS prototype: installation highly
simplified (PostgreSQL replaced by an integrated Derby database). Tests
done by DB, with review of test cases. New version will be sent today to
JG and MM. </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Trouble noted with ISEE and Corot data.
In all cases, data have been changed and/or cut for demonstration (don’t
correspond to the original ones).</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>A=>(DB)</b>: add a sentence at the
beginning of each test case explaining that data have been modified and
cut (don’t correspond to the original ones).</font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=4 face="Calibri"><b>Actions review</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Please send to JG updates in actions. </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Updated actions will be sent separately
by JG.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=4 color=red face="Calibri"><b>End of 20</b></font><font size=1 color=red face="Calibri"><b><sup>th</sup></b></font><font size=4 color=red face="Calibri"><b>March meeting minutes</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">___________________________________________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=4 color=red face="Calibri"><b>Part of historical minutes
to be reminded</b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">__________________________________________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> 2. <b><u>GREEN BOOK</u></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <b>2.2 <u>Core
document</u></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Section 4.1.1 reviewed (ok)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Tabular representation is welcome but question
remains about their systematic use (need an XML version in annex ?)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">CCSD0014: equivalent to TO Descriptor,
and CCSD0015: equivalent to Collection Descriptor</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">==> <u>Action Stephane</u> from MM:
explain more the CCSD0015: how it is registered and reference where more
information could be found on that subject</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Don: descriptorModelID has to be
changed on any XSD change (specialization), the Archive has to maintain
the versions</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Section 4.6.1 about PAIS XSD description
should remain here for the time being</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">« open » enumeration technique is cumbersome
(TBC)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Comment from previous telecons on method
</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">* (Daniele): there are steps that conform
to the PAIMAS process (first model, SIP constraints, then transfer and
validation).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">* Link between the data base on the Archive
side, and the PAIS XML elements: example on how to match both (core document,
test case?).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">The following paragraph will be suppressed
if ok:</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><u>XML namespace for PAIS </u></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">It is agreed that not all positions where
a pais :any element are possible have to be documented in the GB. Only
a few example are necessary or even one.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">More concrete example should be provided
than the abstract « foo »/« bar » currently proposed. Typical example would
be a Collection holding a pais :any with the author of the descriptor,
the Collection name/ID in the Producer semantic, or anything else that
could be specific to the Producer or the Archive side but not provided
in the PAIS definitions.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: Reminded that « true » restrictions
of XML Schema guarantees that the original PAIS XML Schema’s rule are
still applicable. Any instance following a restriction follows the original
ones.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: The use of restrictions does not impose
any system to use the derived PAIS schemas. Therefore, the restricted schemas
have not to be shared with any user of the produced SIPs. The project specific
schemas could even be discarded without losing control of the produced
SIPs.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">=> D – (DS) The rightmost column of
the table in §4.6.4 shall be renamed « Restriction » instead of « Content
»</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">MM: It is not clear that this table should
be kept in that form or discarded at the end, but the target should not
spend too much pages on that topic.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">WG: restrictions may be interesting for
implementers and as such should be documented, but it is not clear if this
should be proposed as a recommendation or a best practice.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: reminded that restricting elements
such as the maxOccurrence’s should be a recommended practice since it
can be very difficult to implement interoperable software exchanging elements
of xs:nonNegativeInteger type.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: proposed to add prepared templates
of restricting XML Schemas in annex. Something that could help implementers
to quickly setup the restrictions of their needs.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">WG: adding XML Schema’s in annex may not
be so helpful because cut and paste from PDF may be very cumbersome.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">=> D – (JG) these XSD shall be placed
side to the originals.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">SM: The problem is similar to other GB
resources as the use case descriptors or the software prototypes.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">___________________________________________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><u>Preservation process </u></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">DB: LOTAR representative is ok with "preservation",
but not with "curation" (this word is not used in the community).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">To be done: analyse and suggest, at different
stages of the project (during data lifecycle), what should be done on an
archiving point of view.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Example of main issue: keep documentation
up to date (when changes in formats, processing, … are made on the data).</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Daniele explains her point of view: develop
a "model" (magenta book) gathering all the basic components of
the preservation activity (selection and appraisal, data and metadata preparation,
access, maintenance …) that should cover all the data lifecycle (even
when data don't exist), in order to be able to answer the following question:
what should be done from the beginning till the end to be able to preserve
data, and at what moment? This should be done in a generic way, making
links on standards related to basic components when they exist.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Suggestion to ask Barbara Sierman of existing
works concerning this topic. Mail sent the 7/02 by Daniele.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Daniele underlines the need for CNES and
LTDP group. CCSDS expertise will be very important.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">The PDS has its internal process ; for
other agencies (particularly the LTDP member agencies) this process doesn't
exist and is required.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Question on how to make the link between
a global process and the PAIMAS phases.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">20131030 Don's email and following discussions:</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Don: The process could be focussed on the
Archive point of view, and seen an internal OAIS issue for workflow, using
then more OAIS concepts.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">The "provenance" is practically
a big issue, going back to the original information.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">"Reprocessing, curation, stewardship"
could be maped with OAIS migrations, new versions, …</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Update procedures exist at NSSDC.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Daniele: appraisal should be the starting
point. Workflow, on the Archive side, could begin early in a space project,
even when data don't yet exist ; link with the Archive side of the PAIMAS.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">___________________________________________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><u>Other subjects </u></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b><u><br>OAIS Magenta Book (French version)</u></b></font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"><b></b></font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Complete validation to be performed now
(text and figures)</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">This version will be also validated by
the French National Archives.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Due to the amount of work on the PAIS,
and priority to the PAIS green book, this will be treated after.</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=2 color=#004080 face="Calibri">____________________________________________________________________________________________</font><br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><br><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"> </font><tt><font size=2>_______________________________________________<br>Moims-dai mailing list<br>Moims-dai@mailman.ccsds.org<br></font></tt><a href="http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai"><tt><font size=2>http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/moims-dai<br></font></tt></a><br></div><font face="sans-serif"><hr />
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