From carney@gst.com Mon Dec 1 13:34:07 2003 From: carney@gst.com (Nancy Carney) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:34:07 -0500 Subject: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs In-Reply-To: <00f001c3b46d$4df2d260$6401a8c0@HughKelliher> Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C3B7E5.E2E8FEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by gst.gst.com id hB1Daxk1003489 That makes sense to me. I was uncomfortable with these comments simply dangling out there for the last year and a half. Cheers, =96 Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Hugh Kelliher [mailto:hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:33 PM To: Nancy Carney; Michael Stoloff; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs Hello Nancy and Mike, My interpretation is that the "RIDs" we are dealing with at the moment ar= e internal CSSA comments that happen to be in RID format. Therefore, I sugg= est we simply send them back to the originators to inform them how we have actioned them, as Nancy intends. I think Nancy's dispositions are fine. We can then carry on with our internal reviews and generate the pink shee= t version next spring. This is when the formal RID process starts. Does this make sense to everyone? Best regards, Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Carney To: Michael Stoloff ; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs Mike, Good point of order, not a senior moment! But when *should* w= e close the loop with the RIDs? The schedule from October calls for this draft to circulate to the working group, then to the area at the end of January, then to the secretariat spring 2004 for publication as a pink bo= ok. Somehow RIDs never entered into the picture=85 Now I=92m confused! =96 Nancy -----Original Message----- From: Michael Stoloff [mailto:Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:01 PM To: Nancy Carney Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs Nancy, Please excuse the following question---I'm afraid I'm having a "senior moment"---but I feel a need to clarify a fairly basis point. It is my understanding that the recent traffic on the Css-crm mailing lis= t is to agree on the final contents of the RM Pink Sheets that will be give= n to the Secretariat in order to submit the Pink Sheets formally to the Agencies for review. It is my further understanding that we are *not* dispositioning formal Agency RIDs (on previously published Pink Sheets) in order to hand over a final Blue Book Issue 2 to the Secretariat. Am I still in the right ballpark, or have I really lost it completely thi= s time? --Thanks, Michael At 02:34 PM 11/26/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote: Folks, Please read through the dispositions of these RIDs before I send them back to the originators (seems somewhat silly in the case of the GST RIDs= , but for completenesssake&). For the most part, the changes were editoria= l, but I'd still like for the group to concur. Thanks! -- Nancy ----------------------------------------------------- Nancy Carney Global Science & Technology Inc. 7855 Walker Dr. Suite 200 Greenbelt MD 20770 tel +1 (240) 542-1178 fax +1 (301) 474-5970 "Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in this world." -- Francis P. Church ------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C3B7E5.E2E8FEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That makes sense to me.  = I was uncomfortable with these comments simply dangling out there for the = last year and a half.

        = ;    Cheers,        = ;     – Nancy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Kelliher [mailto:hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November = 26, 2003 5:33 PM
To: Nancy Carney; Michael = Stoloff; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org
Subject: Re: [Css-crm] = Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs

 

Hello Nancy and Mike,

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My interpretation is that the "RIDs" we are dealing with at the moment are internal CSSA comments that happen to be in RID = format. Therefore, I suggest we simply send them back to the originators to = inform them how we have actioned them, as Nancy intends. I think Nancy's = dispositions are fine.

 <= /p>

We can then carry on with our internal reviews and generate the pink sheet = version next spring. This is when the formal RID process = starts.<= /p>

 <= /p>

Does this make sense to everyone?<= /p>

 <= /p>

Best regards,

 <= /p>

Hugh<= /p>

 <= /p>

----- Original Message -----

From: Nancy Carney =

=

To: Michael Stoloff ; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org

Sent: Wednesday, = November 26, 2003 8:20 PM

Subject: RE: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs

 <= /p>

Mike,

           = Good point of order, not a senior moment!  But when *should* = we close the loop with the RIDs?  = The schedule from October calls for this draft to circulate to the working = group, then to the area at the end of January, then to the secretariat spring = 2004 for publication as a pink book.  Somehow RIDs never entered into the = picture…

           = Now I’m  confused!        = ; – Nancy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stoloff [mailto:Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, November = 26, 2003 3:01 PM
To: Nancy Carney
Subject: Re: [Css-crm] = Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs<= /p>

 <= /p>

Nancy,

Please excuse the following question---I'm afraid I'm having a = "senior moment"---but I feel a need to clarify a fairly basis point.

It is my understanding that the recent traffic on the Css-crm mailing = list is to agree on the final contents of the RM Pink Sheets that will be given = to the Secretariat in order to submit the Pink Sheets formally to the Agencies = for review.

It is my further understanding that we are *not* dispositioning formal = Agency RIDs (on previously published Pink Sheets) in order to hand over a final = Blue Book Issue 2 to the Secretariat.

Am I still in the right ballpark, or have I really lost it completely = this time?

--Thanks,
  Michael

At 02:34 PM 11/26/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote:


Folks,

    Please read through = the dispositions of these RIDs before I send them back to the originators = (seems somewhat silly in the case of the GST RIDs, but for completenesssake&).  For the most part, the changes were = editorial, but I'd still like for the group to concur.

       = Thanks!        -- Nancy

 

------------------------------------------= -----------

Nancy Carney

Global Science & Technology Inc.

7855 Walker Dr. Suite 200

Greenbelt MD  20770

tel +1 (240) 542-1178  fax +1 (301) 474-5970

 

"Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable = in this world." -- Francis P. Church

 

 <= /p>

------=_NextPart_000_0112_01C3B7E5.E2E8FEA0-- From tyamada@pub.isas.ac.jp Mon Dec 1 13:34:16 2003 From: tyamada@pub.isas.ac.jp (Takahiro Yamada) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:34:16 +0900 Subject: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCB4358.1060902@pub.isas.ac.jp> Nancy, > Please read through the dispositions of these RIDs before I send > them back to the originators (seems somewhat silly in the case of the > GST RIDs, but for completeness’ sake…). These dispositions look fine to me. Best regards. Takahiro Yamada. From pietras@gst.com Mon Dec 1 16:22:50 2003 From: pietras@gst.com (John Pietras) Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:22:50 -0500 Subject: [Css-crm] Changed terms from restructuring In-Reply-To: <3FC46FAF.5060906@pub.isas.ac.jp> Message-ID: <008b01c3b827$6aa8d270$4b00a8c0@RDANEEL> FYI, the concept of the protoVCDU (now Proto Transfer Frame) is/was to allow the content of the insert zone (which is intended to be isochronously inserted into every frame on the physical channel) to be merged at the ground station with "proto frames" that contain everything in a complete frame *except* the content of the Insert Zone. The Proto Transfer Frame service is therefore *only* to be used when Insert service is used. *NOTE* that insert zones may be merged into the frames further down stream (e.g., by the MDOS), but then the Forward Coded Transfer Frame service would be used, and the fact that the frame contains an insert zone would be invisible to the Complex providing the Forward Coded Transfer Frame service. John > -----Original Message----- > From: css-crm-admin@mailman.ccsds.org [mailto:css-crm- > admin@mailman.ccsds.org] On Behalf Of Takahiro Yamada > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:18 AM > To: Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org > Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Changed terms from restructuring > > Nancy, > > > 1. C/VCDU is coded VCDU. Is the correct replacement "coded virtual > channel > > frame"?? > > In my restructured books, Coded VCDU only appears in the TM > Synchronization and Channel Coding Recommendation and there it is > called "(Reed-Solomon or Turbo) Codeblock". But I think we can also > call it "Coded Transfer Frame". > > > 2. The "protect" service is what you get when Word's spell-checker > > encounters "protoVCDU" service. Would the replacement be protoVC Frame > > service????? > > The concept of protoVCDU is not used in my AOS book or in the original > AOS book, but I think we can call it proto Transfer Frame. Therefore, > protoVCDU Service will be Proto Transfer Frame Service. > > Best regards, > Takahiro Yamada. > > > _______________________________________________ > Css-crm mailing list > Css-crm@mailman.ccsds.org > http://mailman.ccsds.org/mailman/listinfo/css-crm From Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov Mon Dec 1 16:22:40 2003 From: Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Stoloff) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 08:22:40 -0800 Subject: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c3b46d$4df2d260$6401a8c0@HughKelliher> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.2.20031201082208.0169e9f8@mail1.jpl.nasa.gov> --=====================_15281413==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Makes sense to me as well. Thanks for the clarification! At 08:34 AM 12/1/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote: >That makes sense to me. I was uncomfortable with these comments simply >dangling out there for the last year and a half. > > Cheers, Nancy > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Hugh Kelliher [mailto:hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:33 PM >To: Nancy Carney; Michael Stoloff; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org >Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs > > > >Hello Nancy and Mike, > > > >My interpretation is that the "RIDs" we are dealing with at the moment are >internal CSSA comments that happen to be in RID format. Therefore, I >suggest we simply send them back to the originators to inform them how we >have actioned them, as Nancy intends. I think Nancy's dispositions are fine. > > > >We can then carry on with our internal reviews and generate the pink sheet >version next spring. This is when the formal RID process starts. > > > >Does this make sense to everyone? > > > >Best regards, > > > >Hugh > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Nancy Carney > >To: Michael Stoloff ; >Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org > >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:20 PM > >Subject: RE: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs > > > >Mike, > > Good point of order, not a senior moment! But when *should* > we close the loop with the RIDs? The schedule from October calls for > this draft to circulate to the working group, then to the area at the end > of January, then to the secretariat spring 2004 for publication as a pink > book. Somehow RIDs never entered into the picture& > > Now Im confused! Nancy > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Stoloff [mailto:Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov] >Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:01 PM >To: Nancy Carney >Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs > > > >Nancy, > >Please excuse the following question---I'm afraid I'm having a "senior >moment"---but I feel a need to clarify a fairly basis point. > >It is my understanding that the recent traffic on the Css-crm mailing list >is to agree on the final contents of the RM Pink Sheets that will be given >to the Secretariat in order to submit the Pink Sheets formally to the >Agencies for review. > >It is my further understanding that we are *not* dispositioning formal >Agency RIDs (on previously published Pink Sheets) in order to hand over a >final Blue Book Issue 2 to the Secretariat. > >Am I still in the right ballpark, or have I really lost it completely this >time? > >--Thanks, > Michael > >At 02:34 PM 11/26/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote: > > >Folks, > > Please read through the dispositions of these RIDs before I send them > back to the originators (seems somewhat silly in the case of the GST > RIDs, but for completenesssake&). For the most part, the changes were > editorial, but I'd still like for the group to concur. > > Thanks! -- Nancy > > > >----------------------------------------------------- > >Nancy Carney > >Global Science & Technology Inc. > >7855 Walker Dr. Suite 200 > >Greenbelt MD 20770 > >tel +1 (240) 542-1178 fax +1 (301) 474-5970 > > > >"Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and >unseeable in this world." -- Francis P. Church > > > > --=====================_15281413==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Makes sense to me as well. Thanks for the clarification!

At 08:34 AM 12/1/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote:

That makes sense to me.  I was uncomfortable with these comments simply dangling out there for the last year and a half.

            Cheers,             Nancy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Hugh Kelliher [mailto:hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 5:33 PM
To: Nancy Carney; Michael Stoloff; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org
Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs

 

Hello Nancy and Mike,

 

My interpretation is that the "RIDs" we are dealing with at the moment are internal CSSA comments that happen to be in RID format. Therefore, I suggest we simply send them back to the originators to inform them how we have actioned them, as Nancy intends. I think Nancy's dispositions are fine.

 

We can then carry on with our internal reviews and generate the pink sheet version next spring. This is when the formal RID process starts.

 

Does this make sense to everyone?

 

Best regards,

 

Hugh

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Nancy Carney

To: Michael Stoloff ; Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org

Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 8:20 PM

Subject: RE: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs

 

Mike,

           Good point of order, not a senior moment!  But when *should* we close the loop with the RIDs?  The schedule from October calls for this draft to circulate to the working group, then to the area at the end of January, then to the secretariat spring 2004 for publication as a pink book.  Somehow RIDs never entered into the picture&

           Now Im confused!         Nancy

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stoloff [mailto:Michael.J.Stoloff@jpl.nasa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:01 PM
To: Nancy Carney
Subject: Re: [Css-crm] Proposed dispositions to GST and CNES RIDs

 

Nancy,

Please excuse the following question---I'm afraid I'm having a "senior moment"---but I feel a need to clarify a fairly basis point.

It is my understanding that the recent traffic on the Css-crm mailing list is to agree on the final contents of the RM Pink Sheets that will be given to the Secretariat in order to submit the Pink Sheets formally to the Agencies for review.

It is my further understanding that we are *not* dispositioning formal Agency RIDs (on previously published Pink Sheets) in order to hand over a final Blue Book Issue 2 to the Secretariat.

Am I still in the right ballpark, or have I really lost it completely this time?

--Thanks,
  Michael

At 02:34 PM 11/26/2003 -0500, Nancy Carney wrote:


Folks,

    Please read through the dispositions of these RIDs before I send them back to the originators (seems somewhat silly in the case of the GST RIDs, but for completenesssake&).  For the most part, the changes were editorial, but I'd still like for the group to concur.

        Thanks!        -- Nancy

 

-----------------------------------------------------

Nancy Carney

Global Science & Technology Inc.

7855 Walker Dr. Suite 200

Greenbelt MD  20770

tel +1 (240) 542-1178  fax +1 (301) 474-5970

 

"Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in this world." -- Francis P. Church

 

 
--=====================_15281413==.ALT-- From hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com Tue Dec 16 12:38:06 2003 From: hugh.kelliher@spaceconnexions.com (Hugh Kelliher) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:38:06 -0000 Subject: [Css-crm] Reference Model draft P-1.1 References: Message-ID: <00a301c3c3d1$74e08c00$6501a8c0@HughKelliher> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C3C3D1.74495510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear colleagues, This is just a gentle reminder to send me any comments you may have on = the Reference Model by this Friday. Thanks, Hugh ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nancy Carney=20 To: Css-Crm@Mailman. Ccsds. Org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: [Css-crm] Reference Model draft P-1.1 Folks, The latest draft of the Cross Support Reference Model = ("CSRM") is on DocuShare for your reviewing pleasure. Go to = http://www.ccsds.org/docu/dscgi/ds.py/View/Collection-252 and click on = the link for the Pink-1.1 version. =20 Please submit your changes to Hugh Kelliher no later than December 19, = 2003. =20 =20 Here's what's new: =20 a.. Updated references to correspond to Sept 2003 CCSDS publications = b.. Updated Index to Definitions=20 c.. Revised TM/TC nomenclature to mesh with the reorganized SL = Recommendations (thanks to Takahiro Yamada for all his help!)=20 d.. Added a section on time spans from the old Concept book=20 e.. Incorporated dispositions to DLR RIDs=20 f.. Incorporated dispositions to GST RIDs=20 g.. Incorporated disposition to CNES RID (removing ASDC)=20 h.. Updated documentation set figure.=20 i.. Updated other figures as needed.=20 =20 Issues to consider in your review: a.. Since I didn't hear back on the channel tree diagrams, I assumed = they were OK. This may be a bad assumption!=20 b.. I called out the three delivery modes from ROCF Red-1: Complete = online, timely online, and offline. However, when I read through the = material from the ROCF book, I couldn't tell what-if anything-else = needed to change in the Reference Model. The ROCF book is available = from DocuShare at = http://www.ccsds.org/docu/dscgi/ds.py/View/Collection-402 .=20 =20 Happy Thanksgiving to those who have something for which to be = thankful. -- Nancy =20 ----------------------------------------------------- Nancy Carney Global Science & Technology Inc. 7855 Walker Dr. Suite 200 Greenbelt MD 20770 tel +1 (240) 542-1178 fax +1 (301) 474-5970 =20 "Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and = unseeable in this world." -- Francis P. Church =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C3C3D1.74495510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear colleagues,
 
This is just a gentle reminder to send = me any=20 comments you may have on the Reference Model by this = Friday.
 
Thanks,
 
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nancy = Carney
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, = 2003 7:17=20 PM
Subject: [Css-crm] Reference = Model draft=20 P-1.1

Folks,

           =20 The latest draft of the Cross Support Reference Model = (=93CSRM=94) is on=20 DocuShare for your reviewing pleasure. =20 Go to http:/= /www.ccsds.org/docu/dscgi/ds.py/View/Collection-252=20 and click on the link for the Pink-1.1=20 version.

 

Please submit=20 your changes to Hugh Kelliher no later = than December 19, 2003.  =

 

Here=92s = what=92s=20 new:

 

  • Updated = references=20 to correspond to Sept 2003 CCSDS publications=20
  • Updated = Index to=20 Definitions=20
  • Revised = TM/TC=20 nomenclature to mesh with the reorganized SL Recommendations (thanks = to=20 Takahiro Yamada for all his help!)=20
  • Added a = section on=20 time spans from the old Concept book=20
  • Incorporated=20 dispositions to DLR RIDs
  • Incorporated=20 dispositions to GST RIDs=20
  • Incorporated=20 disposition to CNES RID (removing ASDC)=20
  • Updated=20 documentation set figure.=20
  • Updated = other=20 figures as needed.=20

 

Issues to = consider=20 in your review:

  • Since I = didn=92t=20 hear back on the channel tree diagrams, I assumed they were OK.  This may be a bad=20 assumption!=20
  • I called = out the=20 three delivery modes from ROCF Red-1: =20 Complete online, timely online, and offline.  However, when I read = through the=20 material from the ROCF book, I couldn=92t tell what=97if = anything=97else needed to=20 change in the Reference Model. =20 The ROCF book is available from DocuShare at = http:/= /www.ccsds.org/docu/dscgi/ds.py/View/Collection-402 .=20

 

Happy = Thanksgiving to=20 those who have something for which to be thankful.           &nbs= p;=20 =96- Nancy

 

-----------------------------------------------------

Nancy=20 Carney

Global = Science &=20 Technology Inc.

7855 = Walker Dr.=20 Suite 200

Greenbelt = MD  20770

tel +1 = (240)=20 542-1178  fax +1 (301)=20 474-5970

 

"Nobody=20 can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable = in this=20 world." -- Francis P. Church

 

<= /DIV>
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