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<div>Thanks Harald. We appreciate your attention to this.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"<a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int">Harald.Ernst@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int">Harald.Ernst@esa.int</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, November 23, 2015 at 9:07 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, "<a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>CMC <<a href="mailto:cmc@mailman.ccsds.org">cmc@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org">info@sanaregistry.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org">info@sanaregistry.org</a>>, Jean-Marc
Soula <<a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr">Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</a>>, Juan Miro <<a href="mailto:juan.miro@esa.int">juan.miro@esa.int</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Manfred.Lugert@esa.int">Manfred.Lugert@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Manfred.Lugert@esa.int">Manfred.Lugert@esa.int</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="sans-serif">Dear Peter, Dear Osvaldo,</font> <br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Indeed we were also already working on getting the ok for ATV release and got now finally the official confirmation by the mission, that these can be released (however Sentinel 1/2/3 C and D request will be just around the corner).</font><br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Kind regards,</font> <br>
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<font size="2" face="sans-serif">Harald </font><br>
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<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">From: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>></font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">To: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de">osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr">Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</a>"
<<a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr">Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cmc@mailman.ccsds.org">cmc@mailman.ccsds.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cmc@mailman.ccsds.org">cmc@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Cc: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org">info@sanaregistry.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org">info@sanaregistry.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:juan.miro@esa.int">juan.miro@esa.int</a>"
<<a href="mailto:juan.miro@esa.int">juan.miro@esa.int</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int">Harald.Ernst@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int">Harald.Ernst@esa.int</a>></font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Date: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">23/11/2015 16:54</font><br>
<font size="1" color="#5f5f5f" face="sans-serif">Subject: </font><font size="1" face="sans-serif">Re: AW: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">Hi Osvaldo,</font> <br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">Thanks for looking into this.</font> <br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">In regard the SIM, EM, FM SCIDs there is no reason for the missions to change what they are doing on the ground. The process works for them and nothing that they do terrestrially, without using free space radiation, can possibly
cause any issue.</font> <br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">That said, since they are not doing any free space radiation using these SCIDs then we would likt to recover them so that they can be used for real space communications. There will be absolutely no conflict between any isolated
use on the ground and actual use in space. </font> <br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">We will, however, place any of these relinquished SCIDs "at the bottom of the heap” for re-assignment. This has been our policy.</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">Would you please take the steps to formally relinquish these SCIDs?</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">Hopefully Juan and/or Harald will do the same for the ATV project SCIDs.</font><br>
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<font size="1" face="Calibri">Thanks, Peter</font> <br>
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<font size="2" face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>"</font><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">" <</font><a href="mailto:osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>osvaldo.peinado@dlr.de</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, November 23, 2015 at 1:50 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</font><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">>, Jean-Marc Soula <</font><a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">>,
CMC <</font><a href="mailto:cmc@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>cmc@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</font><a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>info@sanaregistry.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">" <</font><a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>info@sanaregistry.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">>,
Juan Miro <</font><a href="mailto:juan.miro@esa.int"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>juan.miro@esa.int</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">>, "</font><a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>Harald.Ernst@esa.int</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">"
<</font><a href="mailto:Harald.Ernst@esa.int"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>Harald.Ernst@esa.int</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
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<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Hi Peter, I asked the projects about the SIM, EM or FM SCIDs and they are still using them for different test and simulations, but only on the earth.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">I think we talk about that, if these numbers are assigned to satellites should not be a conflict, or I´m wrong?</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Because they do not want to modify the running systems, that I can understand.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Checking the DLR list, there are not changes in the registered missions since the last revision in Summer.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Because I was heavily involved in the ATV project I can see that till AVT9 are still assigned, but is registered under ESA (not CNES nor DLR)</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">@ Juan or Harald, can all these ID given back?</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Best Regards</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Osvaldo</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>Von:</b> </font><a href="mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><u>cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> [</font><a href="mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><u>mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Tahoma">]
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Shames, Peter M (312B)<b><br>
Gesendet:</b> Samstag, 21. November 2015 20:23<b><br>
An:</b> Soula Jean-Marc; CMC<b><br>
Cc:</b> Space Assigned Numbers Authority<b><br>
Betreff:</b> [CMC] Re: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Bonjour Jean-Marc,</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">I think that the first role of the agencies should be to “police” their own list of satellites. Once that is done, as you have indicated you have already done for CNES, then I think it might be useful for everyone to voice
“</font><font size="3" color="#004080" face="Calibri">suspicions on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”</font><font size="2" face="Calibri">” of other agencies as well. I think you mentioned the NASA Space Shuttles during our CMC meeting and that seems
like an obvious case in point.</font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">On the other subject, we agreed to allow time for the agencies to consider the impact on their ground data systems from returning simulator SCIDs and also to look at the issue of utilizing some other identifiers than the SCID
to track data during ground processing. I agreed to send out a request to that effect and will do so early next week.</font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Best regards, Peter</font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>Jean-Marc Soula <</font><a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Saturday, November 21, 2015 at 5:07 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</font><a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>Space Assigned Numbers Authority <</font><a href="mailto:info@sanaregistry.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Calibri"><u>info@sanaregistry.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>RE: Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies</font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Bonjour Peter</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">To be sure of your request, could you please clarify if each of us should have a look at the whole list and express suspicions on the “no-longer-in-operations-satellites”, or if we just check the satellites of
our own agency?</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">In the second case, the action is closed for CNES as we made this process a periodic one that we conduct at least once a year.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">I also have continuous actions with some satellite operators for whom CNES had requested and got assigned GSCId’s. One of these actions resulted in the identification last summer of about 20 V1 codes authorized
for cancellation by Eutelsat. As those codes were requested by ESA and not CNES I have passed the list to Juan Miro who should confirm to SANA.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Concerning the Id’s for simulators, there are some of them assigned to CNES projects and I would like to have some time to talk to the projects before they are removed from the list. As most of the simulators
use V1 GSCId’s, I believe the action to remove simulators from the list may be delayed. Anyway, the action opened at CMC level should give me enough time to establish an agency statement on these cases.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Let me know if more is required.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri">Best regards</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" color="#004080" face="Book Antiqua"><i>Jean-Marc Soula<br>
CNES - DCT/OP/C-STA<br>
Advisor, GN Operations<br>
18 Avenue Edouard Belin<br>
31401 Toulouse Cedex 9 - France<br>
Tel.: +33 (0)5 61 2 74647<br>
Fax.: +33 (0)5 61 2 73135<br>
Email: </i></font><a href="mailto:Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><i><u>Jean-Marc.Soula@cnes.fr</u></i></font></a></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>De :</b></font><a href="mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><u>cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Tahoma"> [</font><a href="mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><u>mailto:cmc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size="2" face="Tahoma">]
<b>De la part de</b> Shames, Peter M (312B)<b><br>
Envoyé :</b> mardi 17 novembre 2015 09:33<b><br>
À :</b> Space Assigned Numbers Authority<b><br>
Cc :</b> CMC; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<b><br>
Objet :</b> [CMC] Request to try to recover unused SCIDs from agencies<b><br>
Importance :</b> Haute</font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Dear SANA,</font> </p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"> </font> </p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Based on discussions in the 16 Nov 2015 joint CMC / CESG meeting we have a request for you. There is increasing sense of urgency that we do something (relatively) quickly to avoid exhausting the available SCIDs. We wish to
request that you try again to recover SCIDs for spacraft that are no longer being actively communicated with. The specific request is that you do the following:</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">1. </font><font size="2" face="Calibri">Prepare for each agency the list of their spacecraft that have assigned SCIDs.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">2. </font><font size="2" face="Calibri">Indicate which of these spacecraft that we believe are no longer operational, such as all the NASA Space Shuttles.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">3. </font><font size="2" face="Calibri">Send the list for each agency to the Agency Head’s of Delegation (the CMC members) and also the identified Agency Representatives who have authority to request / rescind SCIDs.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">4. </font><font size="2" face="Calibri">Describe the urgency with this request and ask that they identify all of the spacecraft that are no longer operational or being actively communicated with.</font><br>
<font size="2" face="sans-serif">5. </font><font size="2" face="Calibri">Ask that they reply within one (1) month.</font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">We recognize that we have done something like this in the past, with limited success. Regardless we would like to try it again and we are asking the CMC members to assist in getting this done. If needed we will contact each
of these Agency Representatives directly, and in person.</font> </p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Please let us know when you will be able to start this.</font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri">Thanks, Peter</font> </p>
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Peter Shames<br>
CCSDS System Engineering Area Director<br>
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Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490<br>
California Institute of Technology<br>
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA <br>
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Telephone: +1 818 354-5740, Fax: +1 818 393-6871<br>
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Internet: </font><a href="Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><font size="2" color="blue" face="sans-serif"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size="2" face="sans-serif"><br>
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