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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">OK.. Still learning the process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Thanks all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de" <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 13, 2025 at 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Jim Lux <james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Barkley, Erik J (US 3970)" <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int" <Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Asmar, Sami W (US 9100)" <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Jim,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A new version has been sent to Ignacio to answer all his RIDs and to the best of my understanding this closed the process (<a id="OWAAM255E40F3367F43D3A193C62763F7A5A0" href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;text-decoration:none">@Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</span></a>:
can you please confirm?). We are currently working on some editorials on the document just to improve the readability of some sections, we have just decided to do in the last weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since it is an orange book, no agency review is planned. Once we are done with these latest editorial changes, I’d say the book should be ready to go directly to CMC for publication approval.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Tomaso<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Lux, Jim (US 3370) <james.p.lux@jpl.nasa.gov> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2025 17:55<br>
<b>To:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de>; Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">We were discussing that very problem yesterday. I think the orange book was closed with conditions pending/unsatisfied (Ignacio raised some questions about zero bundle nodes, anonymous bundles,
etc.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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So it still needs to go to Agency Review and CMC review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Tomaso de Cola - SIS AD via
CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 13, 2025 at 8:01 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Barkley, Erik J (US 3970)" <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Asmar, Sami W (US 9100)" <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes indeed it is very unfortunate that Tom stepped back now with BPv7 orange book almost ready for publication. I’ll check later with Tim and Sami (here in cc) how to make sure the publication process is not much delayed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Donnerstag, 13. Februar 2025 16:34<br>
<b>To:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Tomaso,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Very good to hear that you and the DTN working group have already been following this. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I will note that we (CCSDS) are of course very close to having BPV7 published. It is indeed very unfortunate that Tom Gannett somewhat abruptly retired at this time. Perhaps a suggestion is that CESG should
express some sort of priority for picking up the work and getting key publications such as BPV7 out the door. I think that should have priority for whoever is picking up the work. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Erik<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2025 12:12:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] RE: IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hello Erik,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you for pointing to this. Actually myself and the DTN WG in CCSDS have been closely following the path from the formation of the former deepspace non-WG to the current tiptop WG, so
that we are quite aligned on what’s happening there. As also signaled during previous CESG meetings, our concern is the direction that this WG is going to take and what kind of recommendations will be able to formulate, given the fact that it will consider
pure IP networking with a profiling for QUIC (i.e. BP out of scope), whereas the space community and CCSDS has invested considerable effort on DTN in the last 20 years. But let’s see…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <<a href="mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov">erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 12. Februar 2025 23:20<br>
<b>To:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> IETF forms "tiptop" WG -- Taking IP to Other Planets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso and CESG Colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You might be interested in the link below. IETF has formed a new WG that is focused on adapting IP for deep space, primarily by, from what I can gather, tuning Google’s QUIC protocol which
has gained a fair amount of terrestrial usage (see RFC 9000 for more on QUIC). If you follow the link, you may notice that there is mention of coordinating with CCSDS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-Erik</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/group/tiptop/about/__;!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!PNP7rvdCjOV9M5vfjK_005t78tasSqvyjcWO3KZFLKmb7NMKodd0sb4fl3Tlaa76xWskyW3r3v-N_LJY5FL51daiu8A3-fFg4w$">Taking
IP To Other Planets (tiptop)</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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