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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Given the fact that we reached agreement during the last week CESG meeting that the yellow book will be updated to better reflect also the magentish nature of orange book,
my condition can be closed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Thomas Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2024 6:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Howard.Weiss@parsons.us; de Cola, Tomaso <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de>; peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov; Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Howie: Peter is updating the Yellow Book in preparation for a corrigendum. I require an explicit statement from Tomaso indicating his condition is closed. —Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Logothete, L.L.C.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">+1 443 472 0805<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> [<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 19, 2024 12:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>; <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">
peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>;
<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Hi Tomaso,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">In the spirit of moving the IGCA document through Secretariat processing, are you OK with it based on this email thread? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Do we need to modify the Procedures YB first? Or can we progress this document and then make the changes to the YB?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2024 12:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a> <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>; Weiss, Howard [US-US] <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Personally I’d be more in favour of “quickly” reopening the book for fixing this ambiguity on the orange book. The points I’ve raised in my previous email in my very humble
opinion may indeed cause confusion in future CCSDS people about the issue or request to the start orange book projects. In particular the corrigendum 2 (CCSDS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">A02.1-Y-4 Cor. 2), clearly reports in my opinion about that “Experimental Specification prototypes and conformance tests must be documented in an annex”, which I see incompatible
with magenta-flavour of orange books. Jonathan very correctly observed that the used text starts with “as general rule” hence suggesting a “should” requirement, i.e. ‘nice-to-have’. But what follows has a ‘must’ which makes it then less clear, i.e. is it a
‘should’ or a ‘must’? This is in my opinion something to be fixed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can certainly agree that magenta books have significantly evolved in nature and content since this corrigendum, but to memory this is the first case of an orange-magenta
book for which this ambiguity with respect to the yellow book was spotted. As such, I see the need to make this aspect clear especially for the future CESGers, which as very first step will read the yellow book to get used with all procedures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My 0.02 cents,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Montag, 16. September 2024 23:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>; de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>; 'CESG' <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Hi Tom, and CESG Members,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Interesting observation, especially the distinction between “leading requirements” and “requirements from actual practices”. And the observation that leading requirements often require
some level of interpretation, based on our understanding of the intent behind them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I would agree that the situation with OBs right now is one of those “what is the intent” questions. And I think that you and I, and likely most of us, have the same interpretation. If
that’s the case I am content to leave it alone. If not, I would prefer to fix this nit so we can avoid the confusion.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">By the way, I am not advocating that we comb through the Org & Proc doc looking for other nits. We all have more important work to do and limited time and resources. But some things do
require attention to avoid problems.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I will point out that there were two significant changes to the Org & Proc doc, years ago, that I insisted on, because the ambiguities created by their absence were just, to my eyes, too
glaring to be ignored. These were to add actual “Architecture Principles”, Annex A1, and to add clear documentation of “Consensus” in Sec 5.1.2, Annex G, and elsewhere. The document used to say, in CESG and AD responsibilities in version 2:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#0070C0">Sec 1.5.3.2 AD Responsibilities</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#0070C0">j) ensuring that all Area work follows the
<u>set of architectural principles </u>agreed by the CESG and is properly synchronized with the smooth evolution of the large installed base of CCSDS-compatible mission support infrastructure;
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">So there were two mentions of “architectural principles” in that version of the document, but these were not written down and were nowhere to be found. In my opinion this was beyond “leading
requirements”, because there was no guidance aside from those words. The same was true of “consensus”, where it was possible, and it occurred, that “consensus” was whatever the WG Chair said it was.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I could go on, but I think you all get the point. These were big gaps, and they really needed to be filled to remove these glaring ambiguities in fundamentals of how we work and what we
are supposed to be doing. This “can a MB style formatted document be an OB?” is really modest by comparison.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">There’s a last observation that I would like to share with all of you. I believe that a big part of what is going on right now is that CCSDS is going through something of a “sea change”
in terms of leadership. This period of change is not over, since I have yet to retire (but am on that glide path) and other changes will surely follow. A result of this is that new CCSDS Leaders, Area Directors, WG Chairs, and even CESG and CMC leadership
have joined the ranks. But we do not have any formal training, we expect On the Job Training (OJT) to work.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">However, some of these folk have been elevated quite quickly from working members inside a WG to higher positions, without “learning the ropes” at intermediate stages. The CCSDS Org &
Proc was designed with the stated expectation that WG Chair candidates (and candidates for higher level positions) would have served for a period of time in lower level positions. See Sec 2.3.2.4.1:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#0070C0">A candidate for selection as CESG chair (or deputy chair) must be an internationally recognized technical expert with broad expertise in the standardization aspects of space missions
and their supporting infrastructure, <u>plus extensive prior experience working within the CESG (such as having served as an Area Director or WG chair or having served as deputy CESG chair prior to succeeding to chair</u>).
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#0070C0">A candidate for selection as an AD (or deputy AD) must be recognized as leading technical expert in the field covered by that Area and
<u>must have extensive prior experience leading a specific standards development task within the CCSDS, such as having served as a WG chair or deputy chair.
</u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">This was intended to ensure that the CCSDS leaders moved up through the different leadership stages and thereby gained an understanding of how the organization works and also of what the
usual interpretation is of the “leading requirements” and even of the “actual practices” were, especially where there were aspects that were not carefully documented. We do not seem to be following these guidelines rigorously and it appears that there are
consequences.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Here is a last recommendation, from one of the “old guard” to the relative newcomers to CESG (and WG Chair) roles.
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Read the CCSDS Org and Proc document, CCSDS A02.1-Y-4c, from beginning to end, become familiar with your role and the rules we operate by. You are the leaders of this organization,
you need to understand this stuff.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Or maybe we need to have a special one hour “CESG Boot Camp” at the next CESG meeting to make sure everyone is up to speed with how we are supposed to be operating and what the definitions
of all these different procedures and document types really means? I’d certainly support that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Very best regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 16, 2024 at 12:20</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>>, 'CESG' <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Peter:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I support identification of potential changes to the Org&Procs book for the purpose of clarifying things. I do not feel that lack of an explicit statement authorizing
publication of Magenta-type content as an Orange Book is in any way a prohibition of our doing so, because I do not believe the Org&Procs book currently prevents it, and I do not think adding such an explicit statement should be a priority activity. If somehow
resolution of poll conditions against the IGCA book is now contingent upon updating the Org&Procs book, then I think we have failed to accomplish the objective of getting the IGCA book published quickly via the Orange Book path.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I will say that the Org&Procs book consists of two types of requirements, 1) leading requirements devised prior to their implementation, and 2) requirements
documented from actual practices. Leading requirements, such as the Orange Book requirements, were devised without empirical knowledge of the actual work processes necessary to implement them. Such requirements tend to be vague and subject to interpretation,
and for the sake of expediency, those of us who actually have to implement such requirements have always had to follow them more in spirit than in letter. There are a great many leading requirements in the Org&Procs book, and their modern implementation could
very well be criticized for lack of rigorous adherence to what the book might be interpreted to state. So I think we could either enter into a new era of dysfunction, in which we are unable to act except as explicitly stated, however vaguely and ambiguously,
in the Org&Procs book, or continue on as we always have, attempting to accomplish the intent of the requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Logothete, L.L.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">+1 443 472 0805</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) [<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 16, 2024 2:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>; <a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">
thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>; CESG;
<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">
Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Review / update CCSDS Org & Proc Yellow Book, was Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Dear Tomaso and Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Tom already knows this, but for Tomaso’s and Ignacio’s benefit, it has been the case for years that we periodically review the YB to clean up language, and sometimes, to add missing elements.
Sometimes these have been major updates, such as adding Architecture Principle, and documenting what a Consensus Process really is. The last time we made any update was the c2 corrigendum, in 2016. That was a relatively minor update relating to processes.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">In my opinion, this topic, of clarifying that an OB, as a Normative-style Document, could encompass both a BB and an MB is similarly minor. I would support making this update. I think
it is small enough that a corrigenda item would handle it. Others might have a different opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">At the same time, I would ask the question if there are other corrigenda, or more major items, that should be addressed? I cannot think of any, but perhaps there are some.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Comments?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Best regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black"><a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, September 13, 2024 at 9:15</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a> <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If so then I’d be in favour of improving the text of the yellow book to avoid any ambiguity. This could be an opportunity to check also other sections of the book that may
need a refresh (just guessing…).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Freitag, 13. September 2024 17:45<br>
<b>To:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>;
<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">
charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Tomaso:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Our procedures were not bestowed upon us by Providence. We wrote them. There was never any intension to exclude Magenta-type specifications from the experimental
path; it simply did not occur to anyone at the time to state explicitly that Magenta-type specifications could be preserved as Orange Books, which category of book was created to preserve good engineering that lacked multi-agency support and thus prevent having
to recreate it later. Beyond that, the notion of what a Magenta Book is has evolved considerably since the procedures text about Orange Books was written.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So I would say if our procedures document appears to prohibit our doing things in the best interests of CCSDS, then our procedures document should be fixed,
and in the meantime should not stand as an impediment to getting things done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Logothete, L.L.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> [<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 13, 2024 4:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>;
<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">
thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>; <a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Peter,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As mentioned in a former exchange in August I think, my concerns are more from a formal viewpoint. It was and is still fully clear to me that the content of this book is towards
a future magenta book and content-wise I’m not against it. However I’m afraid CCSDS A02.1-Y-4 is considering the transition from orange to blue only. In more detail the CCSDS A02.1-Y-4 book in Annex B2.2 states that:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">Experimental work may be based on soft or “prospective” requirements; i.e., it may be looking into the future and may intend to demonstrate technical
feasibility in anticipation of a hard requirement that has not</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">yet emerged. This designation
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;background:yellow">therefore</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;background:yellow">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow">allows the work to progress roughly to the equivalent technical status of a
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;background:yellow">Draft Recommended Standard</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"> without being actually
on the Normative Track and therefore consuming large amounts of CCSDS resources. Experimental work may be rapidly transferred onto the
</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:red;background:yellow">Normative Track</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black;background:yellow"> if a hard requirement emerges, thus
shortening the response time in satisfying the new customer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This clearly points to a draft recommended standard (blue book), while it does not mention the case of a draft recommended practice (magenta book). It is certainly true that
then finally it is said that can be “rapidly transferred onto the normative track”, where in fact a normative track includes both magenta and blue books. However Figure 6.1 at the beginning of Section 6 clearly shows a relation between orange and blue books,
but not with magenta books:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">If instead we (CESG) all think that orange books could be for possible future blue or magenta books, I’m also fine but we need to update the yellow books to avoid the confusion that lead us to this discussion. In this sense, then probably
we should also update the statement still in Annex B2.2 about the necessary condition to report on the existence of a prototype:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:black;background:yellow">As a general rule, prior to publication at least one hardware or software prototype (or other implementation) must exist that demonstrates and exercises all of the options and features of the
specification in an operationally relevant environment, either real or simulated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">This clearly makes sense in the current orientation of orange books, i.e. towards possible future blue books, but probably not for magenta books for which no prototypes are expected to grant their approval and consequent publication.
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<p class="xmsonormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 11. September 2024 23:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>; Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>; Ignacio Sanchez-Aguillar <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Thanks Chuck.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Let’s see what response we get from Ignacio and Tomaso. We won’t move ahead with these changes to the document until we know that they concur.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Thanks, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 1:00</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>>, Ignacio Sanchez-Aguillar <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am ok with and understand the comments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I do agree that it is in a weird spot and needs to be built, in order to solidify processes, documentation and requirements.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I sent to Howie and Tom what I understood needed to be done from the e-mail chain. Tom sent back an e-mail that he will maintain control and make the proper
changes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Aside:
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think I am maybe missing something about the X509, that is in a different document I think, and would require an update to that document.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I will do what you all think best on this effort.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Charles J. Sheehe III</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV</span></a> Email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov</span></a> SIPRmail</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov</span></a>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Office: 216-433-5179</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There are two ways to design a system. One is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The other is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> - C. A. R. Hoare</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2024 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>; Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>; Ignacio Sanchez-Aguillar <<a href="mailto:Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int">Ignacio.Aguilar.Sanchez@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Hi Chuck,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I just reviewed the draft OB again, in the light of the feedback from the CESG review and this email trail.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I agree with Howie, and Ignacio, that we should review, and update as appropriate, the X.509 currency.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I also agree with Ignacio that this is a somewhat unusual CCSDS document. And I will note that it’s nature it is very close to a couple of the existing MOIMS DAI WG MB documents, such as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">In much the same way that the IGCA is an overview architecture, process, and high level requirements driven document, the OAIS is similarly constructed. The initial OAIS document was found
to be valuable by the digital archive community because it provided a useful set of concepts and a conceptual architecture, as well as identifying the use of some specific standards for certain data exchanges. The MOIMS DAI WG has elaborated upon this over
time and then added these audit and certification documents. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">To reach closure on Tomaso’s concerns, I will note that as a “Magenta Book-style” Orange Book it does not require either a prototype or a PICS. Here too, the existing MOIMS OAIS MB document
series provides examples of what has been accepted in a similar context. I have argued separately (copied below) that the CCSDS “Bible” identifies that Orange Books should be formulated as “Normative Track” documents without explicitly excluding Magenta
Books, which are also Normative Track. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">In my opinion this IGCA concept might well follow a similar path to the OAIS, starting with this Orange Book. I think we all agree that this is not yet at the level of maturity expected
of a Blue Book, nor even, as yet, of a Magenta Book. But I believe that it is a valuable concept and, once these technical concerns have been dealt with, worthy of publication as an Orange Book so as to permit further exploration and evaluation.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I would, in addition, recommend that development of a prototype should be one of the next investments, and that consideration be given to the development of a separate “Audit and Certification”
document as well as firming up the existing IGCA architecture itself, as a result of the prototyping effort.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Best regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 7:13</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Just getting back.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am fine with dropping the PICs
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The latest rev to 9 will review to ensure no impact.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I will go through the requirements section and indicate how they will be verified.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">May I put verification in the document in that section?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Computer Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Glenn Research Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">21000 Brookpark Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cleveland, OH 44135</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV</span></a> Email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov</span></a> SIPRmail</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov</span></a>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Office: 216-433-5179</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There are two ways to design a system. One is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The other is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> - C. A. R. Hoare</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Hi Guys,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">As Tom anticipated, I do have “something to add” vis-à-vis the Magenta to Orange aspect.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">First off, the way this document is written is to have content that is more typical of a Magenta Book, i.e. process, architecture, or recommended practice than it is Blue Book, i.e. directly
implementable. I made this judgement based on the contents of the document, as I do with all documents I am asked to review.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">As a Magenta Book there is really no expectation of it being directly implementable in the way that a protocol or data exchange spec would be, so there is no anticipated need for 2 interoperable
implementations. It could be argued that this might be treated as a Blue Book of the form “Utilization Profile”, see YB Sec B1.1.a.3. Here too, I do not think this document, in its current form, is sufficiently “normative” to meet that test.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Hence the proposal to publish it as an Orange Book. It does meet that test, as documented in Sec B2.2.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I will further note that Sec B2.2 is a little ambiguous, since it references “the equivalent technical status of a Draft Recommended Standard” once, without ever saying “it must be a Blue
Book”. It also references, twice, “Experimental work may be rapidly transferred onto the Normative Track”, without further stating that it is a Blue Book Normative Track document. It could equally well be a Magenta Track Normative document.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">I think that these statements, in Sec B2.2, are really the salient ones:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">it is not necessary to demonstrate broad support across the CCSDS community before a WG to produce an Experimental Specification is approved; one organization could
volunteer to perform experimental work independently, provided that the Area Director is convinced that it is a positive contribution toward the work of CCSDS and that sufficient resources exist to produce a meaningful result. Demonstration of the work being
a “positive contribution” is most important; a WG will not be allowed to form unless it has demonstrated that the proposed experimental work is architecturally relevant to CCSDS and will not be disruptive to the installed base if eventually implemented.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Based on that I continue to support the request to publish this as an Orange Book, to get these concepts out and into view, with the expectation that further work will be done to either
demonstrate the value, either in Magenta (or preferably Blue) form or to abandon the project because it is found wanting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Aptos">Best regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 9, 2024 at 8:18</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>'Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0)' <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Howie:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You may regard me as the choir. Procedurally, however, every condition needs to be explicitly resolved to the satisfaction of the AD who voted to approve with
conditions, and my purpose in sending the advance warning yesterday was to give the WG a little extra time to prepare responses. I am CCing Peter, since he will have something to add on the Magenta-to-Orange aspect. My position is, it’s not not allowed, but
there are indeed some Org&Procs requirements that assume all Orange Books are Blue by nature.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Logothete, L.L.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a> [<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 09, 2024 11:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0)'; <a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Hi Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">I am usually sympathetic to Tomaso's MINOR1 issue - I have been beaten up over the years regarding poorly worded, compound, or untestable requirements. However, in this case, my thought is that,
at least for 3.3.3, this would be verifiable by 'observation.' </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Chuck - can you go through the rest of the 'shall' statement to determine how they would be verified? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">As for Ignacio's comment regarding the version of X.509, we had an out-of-band email thread on that same subject. I guess we should do some due diligence to ensure that any changes in the newer
versions of X.509 don't have any appreciable effects on our document. And if there are not effects, we should simply upgrade the reference. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Regarding the change from Magenta -> Orange, that was not our own doing and rather was instigated by Peter to gain some traction by publishing a document with the hope that if we publish, they
will come. The intent was to eliminate the need for 2 independent implementations, the need to write an accompanying Green Book (by putting a lot of the non-normative GB info in section 2), and to get the concept in front of the other member Agencies. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos;color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 8, 2024 2:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weiss, Howard [US-US] <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0)' <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Howie:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The CESG IGCA poll failed to achieve quorum and has been extended by one week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In the meantime, of the three votes obtained so far, two are “Approve with Conditions” (see below).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tomaso’s “MAJOR” condition is essentially a red herring: what he says of the procedures is true, but the procedures assume all Orange Books are experimental
<i>standards</i>. Since this is an Orange <i>practice</i>, and since Magenta Books do not yield the sort of implementations for which the procedural requirement was intended, Tomaso will have to be cajoled to withdraw that particular condition (I will contact
him about it after the extended poll closes).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Concerning his MINOR2 condition, in fact, Magenta Books do not normally include a PICS; I would propose deleting it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tomaso’s MINOR1 condition and Ignacio’s condition are yours to ponder (Ignacio’s remark 1 also wrestles with the unusual circumstance of attempting to make a Magenta Book Orange).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">SEA-AD Peter Shames APPROVE UNCONDITIONALLY <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"> 8/22/2024 1:26 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">SIS-AD Tomaso de Cola APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS (state conditions that must be satisfied)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span>MINOR1: some requirements listed in section 3 sound to me a bit vague and not so easy get verified. For instance clause 3.3.3 states that "The IGCA and affiliated CAs shall have reviewed and agreed-upon
operational<br>
protection policies.". How can this be verified? Same considerations may hold also for other requirements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>MINOR2: If I'm not wrong NPICS (as shown in Annex A) is a requirement for blue books, not for orange (though certainly not prohibited).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>MAJOR: According to our org&proc yellow book in Annex B2.2, it is stated that "prior to publication at least one hardware or software prototype (or other implementation) must exist that demonstrates and exercises all of the options and features of the specification
in an operationally relevant environment, either real<br>
or simulated. The WG chair shall assure that the specific implementations that qualify the specification for CCSDS experimental status are documented in an annex to the<br>
specification; that documentation shall include clear statements about support for each of the individual options and features of the specification". The present version of the book indeed includes an annex about a "possible implementation example", but does
not describe an existing implementation, but provides a scenario in which the proposed concept could be implemented. In general, the "concept" of an orange book is that at some point could mature to a blue book, while here I've the impression that in some
parts the document this is really bluish, but in other is more Magenta-style.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>SLS-AD Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS (state conditions that must be satisfied)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">Please find attached a PID: Its disposition is my condition for approval of this poll.
<span style="color:#1F497D">[attached below]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">Furthermore, I would like to share a couple of remarks:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This document is targeting an organisation, not a protocol or data structure or service. The only other CCSDS document I could find with a
similar target is the CCSDS 313.0-Y-3 SANA Yellow Book. Hence, this Orange Book is quite exceptional.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At the core of this Orange Book is the CCSDS 357.0-B-1 Authentication Credentials Blue Book. This standard relies on the following ISO standard:
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Information Technology—Open Systems Interconnection—The Directory: Public-Key and Attribute Certificate Frameworks. 7th ed. International Standard, ISO/IEC 9594-8:2014. Geneva: ISO, 2014.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">Such standard has an equivalent ITU-T standard known as X.509. You can find it here:
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https://www.itu.int/ITU-T/recommendations/rec.aspx?rec=14033&lang=en [itu.int] [urldefense.us]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">As part of my involvement on a related ESA Project in support of asymmetric key management for space links, we are examining both CCSDS 357.0-B-1 and ITU-T X.509 and noticed that such ISO/ITU-T standard has evolved. The change record
is visible at the ¨History¨ section at the early pages with corresponding weblinks to past versions and corrigenda.
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<p class="xxmsonormal">To my understanding the CCSDS Authentication Credentials Blue Book was referring to edition 7. The latest published version is edition 9, with a couple of corrigenda.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal">Given the importance of the subject and the 5-year review cycle for the CCSDS Authentication Credentials Blue Book (published in 2019), I would recommend initiating it, including a detailed examination of the X.509 update.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre> CESG POLL ITEM DISPOSITION (PID) INITIATION FORM<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>AREA PID NUMBER: 01<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SUBMITTING AREA: Space Link Services<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>REVIEWER'S NAME: Ignacio AGUILAR SANCHEZ <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>DOCUMENT NAME: Intergovernmental Certification Authority<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>DATE ISSUED: August 2024<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>PID SHORT TITLE: Provision of PKI keys to CCSDS protocols<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>¨The IGCA provides trust and PKI keys that can be used to facilitate the operation of CCSDS protocols such as Space Data Link Security (SDLS) and Delay Tolerant Networking (DTN) Bundle Protocol Security (BPSec) or secured service interfaces. ¨<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>¨The IGCA provides trust and PKI keys that can be used to facilitate the operation of CCSDS security protocols or secured service interfaces. ¨<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>The facts are that today CCSDS is working to define asymmetric key management for the CCSDS Space Data Link Security as well as publishing the DTN Bundle Security Protocol (BPSec). <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Strictly speaking, a provision of PKI keys would not be needed as no one could use them. Yet, we at CCSDS are working towards that goal in all fronts. <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 26, 2024 3:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.us">Howard.Weiss@parsons.us</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Had our proof reader go through the book. The came up with a few nits nothing to change anything.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Charles J. Sheehe III</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 26, 2024 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">I’ve completed my grammar/spelling/punctuation review of the Orange Book (attached). You’ll note that I’ve used yellow highlights to identify words/sentences/phrases that would benefit from revision. I’ve also added a few comment bubbles
for recommended additions, particularly for missing captions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns regarding the changes I’m suggesting. Lisa and I are hoping to complete and close this project as soon as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 23, 2024 6:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Lisa:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">I’m trying to figure out if I’m looking at the right document. The folder I’m looking in is:
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<p class="xxmsonormal">PS-04191 CSDS IGCA Orange Book Sheehe dk<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">The PDF you want me to look at is:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">357x1o0_CESG_Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Is that correct? Please confirm before I get started on my review when I’m back in the office on Friday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>; Mason, Sandra (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov">sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov</a>>; Feher, Lorraine C. (GRC-V000)[eMITS]
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<b>Cc:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Hi Deb,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Please let me know if the due date is possible to review the PDF that Chuck has sent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please contact Chuck when you begin.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">He only has the PDF</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Due date is Tuesday, August 27</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">The file is on the server in PS-04191_IGCA CESG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>><br>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Glenn Research Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">21000 Brookpark Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cleveland, OH 44135</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV</span></a> Email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov</span></a> SIPRmail</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov</span></a>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Office: 216-433-5179</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There are two ways to design a system. One is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The other is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> - C. A. R. Hoare</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 2:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>; Mason, Sandra (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov">sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov</a>>; Feher, Lorraine C. (GRC-V000)[eMITS]
<<a href="mailto:lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov">lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Chuck,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">What is the <span style="color:red">due date </span>that you need an Editor to review?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Another editor from ISO publications is also editing this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Lisa Greeney</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Document Specialist (Layout)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#4472C4">ROAR | Rothe ARES JV</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">NASA Glenn Research Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">21000 Brookpark Rd.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">Cleveland, OH 44135</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">B</span><span style="color:#7F7F7F">uilding 14, Room 122, Cubical #2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#2E74B5">Schedule:</span></b><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt">
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Onsite: M, W, F: 6:30 am to 2:30 pm</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt">Teleworking: T, TH: 8:00 am to 4:30 pm</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>; Mason, Sandra (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov">sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov</a>>; Feher, Lorraine C. (GRC-V000)[eMITS]
<<a href="mailto:lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov">lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">They only sent the PDF I am no longer the editor since it has moved to the ISO editor for publication.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Charles J. Sheehe III</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Computer Engineer</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Secure Networks, System </span>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Integration and Test Branch (LCN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Glenn Research Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">21000 Brookpark Rd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Cleveland, OH 44135</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NASA.GOV</span></a> Email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.J.Sheehe@NSS.SGov.Gov</span></a> SIPRmail</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Charles.Sheehe@NASA.IC.Gov</span></a>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Office: 216-433-5179</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There are two ways to design a system. One is to make it so simple there are obviously no deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The other is to make it so complex there are no obvious deficiencies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> - C. A. R. Hoare</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kirkby, Debra L. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov">debra.l.kirkby@nasa.gov</a>>; Mason, Sandra (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov">sandra.c.mason@nasa.gov</a>>; Feher, Lorraine C. (GRC-V000)[eMITS]
<<a href="mailto:lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov">lorraine.c.feher@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Chuck,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">Send us the Word version also since a PDF was only sent.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Lisa Greeney</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">NASA Glenn Research Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">21000 Brookpark Rd.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">Cleveland, OH 44135</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F">B</span><span style="color:#7F7F7F">uilding 14, Room 122, Cubical #2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal" style="line-height:105%"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:105%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#7F7F7F"><a href="mailto:Lisa.A.Greeney@nasa.gov"><span style="color:#0563C1">Lisa.A.Greeney@nasa.gov</span></a>
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<span style="color:navy">August 19-23 </span><span style="color:#2E74B5"><img border="0" width="39" height="81" style="width:.4062in;height:.8437in" id="x_x_Picture_x0020_10" src="cid:image015.png@01DB3AC3.23A3E960"></span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Sheehe, Charles J. (GRC-LCN0) <<a href="mailto:charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov">charles.j.sheehe@nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 22, 2024 1:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greeney, Lisa A. (GRC-V000)[eMITS] <<a href="mailto:lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov">lisa.a.greeney@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> FW: [EXTERNAL] IGCA CESG Approval<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We are close I am going to read through this tomorrow, if you would not mind looking at it that would be great as my grammar and spelling etc. is not the best.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Thomas Gannett <<a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net">thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</a>>
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<p class="xxmsonormal">I have created the CESG approval poll. You may want to review the attached approval document concurrently to assure changes I made to text and figures in response to abstruse/ambiguous text are consistent with WG intent, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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