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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Hi Erik,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">No argument with either of the points you made. Maybe the logo size issue is a sort of Goldilocks, “too cold”, “too hot”, “just right”. I’d accept either of the larger ones
as being better than the tiny ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">On the issue of presenting that table of standards as your materials, I tend to find that sort of thing dry as dust, but you can talk to it and it does make the point that we’re
not just pretty pictures. We have a bunch of real, tried and true, tested, proven, standards that all interoperate. That is really important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">That overall “Kearney graphic”, that I assume we all will use, will get the audience situated as to where on the “CCSDS Map” your CSS Area lives. That need only take a few seconds
on the screen. With an awareness that many people are “visual learners” perhaps a more detailed “map of the CSS territory”, such as provided by the attached figure, would get them further situated into what CSS offers. It’s up to you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I don’t think that any of these figures need to be dwelled upon, 15 seconds on the screen might be enough … just because we are visual creatures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 17, 2024 at 5:30</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, CESG <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov>, Amber S Massaquoi (AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com) <AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: LIF charts, was Re: Slide 16/9 with renewed CCSDS logos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter et al,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A couple of comments. </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I like the updated logos that Ignacio put together, but I think at the current size it looks a little too cartoonish – I edited your title slide to shrink the logos – below are the before and after screenshots.
I will note I never went to art school, and of course, this is just my take – but perhaps see which one looks better? (It might help to view them at a size similar to full-screen projection)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think it is important to discuss as directly as possible the benefits the standards that CCSDS has produced at the forum. To that end, I don’t see the table as back-up material and plan on addressing this
directly when presenting at the forum. I very much want to make it clear to those who may have never heard of CCSDS the very real benefits that CCSDS standards bring, especially regarding inter-operability.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A general question perhaps for Tim and Klaus-Juergen: is there a directory for uploading the AD presentations? There does not seem to be. If there is not one, may I suggest we upload them to a dedicated
sub-directory/folder under <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/Meetings/2024%20Spring%20Meeting%2C%20Washington%20DC%2C%20USA">
https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/Meetings/2024%20Spring%20Meeting%2C%20Washington%20DC%2C%20USA</a> (CWE login required) ? I think this will help whoever it is that ends up assembling the package for distribution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Erik</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Before with “large” logos:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><img border="0" width="1721" height="970" style="width:17.927in;height:10.1041in" id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.jpg@01DA90EC.B378A200"><o:p></o:p></p>
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After, with not-so-large logos</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><img border="0" width="2113" height="1179" style="width:22.0104in;height:12.2812in" id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image003.jpg@01DA90EC.B378A200"><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via CESG<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2024 16:38<br>
<b>To:</b> CESG <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov>; Amber S Massaquoi (AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com) <AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [CESG] LIF charts, was Re: Slide 16/9 with renewed CCSDS logos</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Dear CESG ADs (and team),</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Based on this morning’s discussion I used the cover slide and template that Ignazio provided, copied over the materials I had prepared, and then added the “animated” version
of the Kearney slide and the CCSDS “organo-gram” as a CCSDS overview / intro. This expands the amount of time I’ll take at the front, but I promise to be brief and not drone on about boring old architecture.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Apple Color Emoji"">🤭</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I also followed Erik’s suggestion and added two pages with tables of SEA standards that can be slipped into the backup materials in the distributed, integrated, slide deck.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">I believe that the agreement is for all the other Areas to use the “static” version of the Kearney slide and to paste on an overlay to show how your standards fit into the overall
architecture. I put that static version in the backup too. I believe that all of the Areas & WGs are corrected on that chart, but you might check.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Cheers, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">CESG-All <<a href="mailto:cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of Ignacio Aguilar Sanchez via CESG-All <<a href="mailto:cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 8:52</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>CCSDS Secretariat via CESG-All <<a href="mailto:cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-all@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Amber S Massaquoi (<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [Cesg-all] Slide 16/9 with renewed CCSDS logos</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Amber and all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">I have placed the slide that contains those CCSDS logos presented today at the following CWE location:
<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/cwe.ccsds.org/sls/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=*2Fsls*2Fdocs*2FSLS*20Area*2FCWE*20Private*2F2024*2D04*2D16*20Slide*20with*20CCSDS*20logo*20for*20future*20template&FolderCTID=0x012000439B56FF51847E41B5728F9730D7B55F&View=*7BAE8FB44C*2DE80A*2D42CF*2D8558*2DFB495ABB675F*7D__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!NjUTj6GbIvb-wLPNwzDD6-4i7txrg7NmbJypBBuE1U4X3J3CtEXHlB_RC5vAnGX5x00BVLu3n9jxkcl6fWzDT8h_6KqRJesp$">
2024-04-16 Slide with CCSDS logo for future template - All Documents</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ignacio</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Keplerlaan 1, PO Box 299, 2200 AG Noordwijk, The Netherlands</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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