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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As we all know (I guess), a non-WG mailinglist has started activities in IETF under the name “deepspace”, whose objective is to really
to study IP-based solutions for deep-space scenarios. Here a <a href="https://deepspaceip.github.io/">
github</a> containing some material shown or discussed during the last IETF meetings. Once this mailinglist was established, there have been quite some discussions with many points raised by “our” SIS-DTN folks as to why such an IP-based approach may not work.
Recently I’ve seen less movement on the mailinglist but Marc Blanchet (leader of this mailinglist) invited to me to have an exchange on the matter
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">à</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> I’ll have a telco with him in the second half
of May. He also gave a presentation at the last IETF meeting about HTTP from Voyager, essentially showing that HTTP over large delays is still doable (presentation
<a href="https://deepspaceip.github.io/meetings/ietf119/ietf119-brisbane-deepspaceip-whatis-update-testbed.pdf">
here</a>). As pointed out by Peter, however, deep space is not just matter of large delays but also and more importantly of network disruptions that in my opinion cannot still be coped with by any of the existing IP-based solutions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">My 0.02 cents,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <james.schier-1@nasa.gov>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Sonntag, 14. April 2024 04:57<br>
<b>An:</b> Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[JPL Employee] <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>; de Cola, Tomaso <Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com; Asmar, Sami W (JPL-9100)[JPL Employee] <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov>; Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int; Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <angela.d.peura@nasa.gov>; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org; murata.masaya@jaxa.jp<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> RE: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Peter: I wish I had the budget to pay for the study to answer this question. It’s been floating around for years & I hear opinions but see no analysis or test results. If we don’t study it first, we’ll
find out the hard way. I’d rather study it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 8, 2024 5:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:tomaso.decola@dlr.de">tomaso.decola@dlr.de</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>; Asmar, Sami W (JPL-9100)[JPL Employee] <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>; Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">
murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I think the elephant may trip over his own big feet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Has anyone done any actual testbed mock-ups of this comm stuff using realistic delays? Are there any reports about such activities? Or are they assuming that it’s all going to work in space
because it does on the Earth?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m asking because much of what I have seen in various “architecture” documents seem to ignore communications architecture issues and the effects of delay and disruption. Or maybe I’m just not
seeing the more detailed documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 5, 2024 at 12:53</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:tomaso.decola@dlr.de">tomaso.decola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:tomaso.decola@dlr.de">tomaso.decola@dlr.de</a>>, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a> <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>, Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>, Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I agree with Peter’s observation & Tomaso’s historical insight (which helps me understand the situation in perspective). I suggest a different approach to reconcile views and improve user adoption
at the same time.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">What is missing from all of this is the user’s perspective on IPN. Specifically, the Artemis Program that is developing multiple multi-$B systems (with more to come in their huge catalog of elements)
and encouraging multiple space agencies to come along with additional large investments. This produces a brand new & enormous community of interest – all based on Artemis using IPv4 or IPv4/v6 end-to-end (at least for initial missions). They have given some
vague indications of adding BP from Artemis-VI or later but successful use of IP on the early missions could easily cause that to be delayed. We may not like it but we can't stop the Elephant. I suggest that what we need is to get out of our well-defined but
rigid CCSDS-based mindset (apologies if that gives offense but I’m trying to jolt you into considering a different perspective) and set up something new with this rapidly emerging user community to see how we should adjust to the coming onslaught. Why don’t
we consider engaging the extended (international) Artemis community outside existing CCSDS WGs in an attempt to determine how to align future standards development with the emerging needs of Human Space Flight? Those mission capabilities drive the evolution
of our communication, networking, mission operations, & navigation capabilities.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Jim</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 3, 2024 1:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[JPL Employee] <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>; Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>; Asmar, Sami W (JPL-9100)[JPL Employee] <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>; Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>; <a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">
murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Peter,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I tend to agree with you. These are all diagrams taken from existing CCSDS books, where probably the exercise was to label protocol layers according to the “vicinity”
to corresponding ISO/OSI protocol stack layers. As such, IP is traditionally considered the network layer and what above is either a transport layer (TCP or UDP) or an overlay. It would be good to re-align the terminology (and probably also the diagram) to
the views given in the SSI book. I also think that the SISG report dated 2009 (if I’m not wrong) advocating for the use of DTN in space provides some more precise terminology or diagrams.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And now that people are getting interested into IP islands and some even argue that IP could be used end-to-end in space, these diagrams could indeed create that
confusion you were noting down.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Happy to further iterate on this point,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 3. April 2024 18:49<br>
<b>An:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>; Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>; <a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">
angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Tomaso,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for sending this. I think you did a great job of pulling together existing CCSDS (and IOAG) intro materials and merging in newer materials relating to SIS efforts. Including the IOAG
“Lunar Mission” overview slides (slides 16 & 17 ) is, I believe, a great motivator for why we need the whole IPN suite of standards.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">If there is one thing in these materials, and others, that causes confusion it is the distinction drawn on slide 24 between what is highlighted in red as the “Network Layer”, which only includes
IP and Encap, and the upper layers labelled “Bundle Layer” that are not highlighted. This upper layer includes BP (but not BPSec), LTP, and all that CLA stuff. The reason why I find this troubling is that it can leave the impression that BP is ONLY an “overlay”
network and that IP is really the “Network Layer”. In reality, as is shown on slides 29 & 30, we are advocating for a DTN “backbone network” that is used to connect “IP regions”. Slide 30 makes that pretty clear, but I think we could do a better job of labelling
the DTN parts and the IP parts.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Maybe this feels like I’m being “too picky”, but I think we have something of an uphill battle in getting folks to understand why having the DTN Solar System Internet (SSI)
<b><i>backbone</i></b> is so important in enabling these “islands of IP” to communicate effectively. Given the ubiquity of IP in our terrestrial world it is too easy for people to think that it’s really IP everywhere, but that cannot be the case in space.
I think we all understand this, but I do not know that we are communicating it as effectively as we might.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Happy to talk about this at more length.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">And thanks for the great job.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Peter</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 3, 2024 at 1:44</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a> <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>, Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>,
<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>,
<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Peter,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">yes here attached. I was planning to distribute them with you all well before the talk but then this action stayed in my TODO list… Sorry for that.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">As mentioned a few weeks ago, it is more like an introduction to CCSDS and details about SIS area rather than an actual deep dive, since I had roughly only 45
min for the talk. I’ve however to say that many people were quite interested to see what’s happening in CCSDS and in particular which activities are carried out and which are planned next. That’s why I think it important to do some good “commercial” of what
CCSDS is doing, since I had the impression that obviously many stakeholders use our standards for system/product developments but then have a little view on the actual CCSDS mission and framework. As such, at the end of my talk, I have received the usual question
as to why CCSDS is so slow in coming up with new recommendations…</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Tomaso</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>
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<b>Gesendet:</b> Montag, 1. April 2024 18:51<br>
<b>An:</b> de Cola, Tomaso <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>; Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>; <a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">
angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>; <a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> SIS Talk to IPNSIG, was ... Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Tomaso,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I was just looking for some materials on space internetworking and security and fell across this.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">I assume that you gave this talk on 14 March. Would you be willing to share the slides with the rest of us who were not present/</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Peter</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a> <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, March 1, 2024 at 12:43</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a> <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>, Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>,
<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a> <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a> <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>,
<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a> <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>AW: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">on March 14th I’m going to give an introduction to CCSDS SIS area activities at IPNSIG (<a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.us*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fwww.ipnsig.org*2F__*3B!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!J-nIV4zd7yV9BYvLrs1ctVLv0FarmDfeulHFlG1e1_Su8I_aKAjFyn6kLF33gya0cMSkiyTtoY9F27BRU92mRidORa0z-n-2*24&data=05*7C02*7Cpeter.m.shames*40jpl.nasa.gov*7C67075aab250c45b7edfa08dc55aa0401*7C7005d45845be48ae8140d43da96dd17b*7C0*7C0*7C638479435914881153*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C0*7C*7C*7C&sdata=vUkm9y4LD1K*2BDrtGCCD*2BknPCYOZjGiD670npE*2BO0XDk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!LphBIniPz3_rtzJpXe6OcWSka2Mdu6jQUTKqJooYfATW2iqh6QWqh3D3TiLTadXlEzCSLXDpn37TH5rXrB6V8lUUMRkIoQ$">https://www.ipnsig.org/</a>).
I was thinking to share some information about this initiative at the end of the talk, although the date of the talk is relatively close to the deadline we set to collect the contributions. If you have any objections about my proposal, please let me know.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Tomaso</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Von:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via CESG<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 29. Februar 2024 22:37<br>
<b>An:</b> Klaus-Juergen Schulz <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>; Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>;
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic"">村田 眞哉</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>; Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>; Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>; CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum<br>
<b>Priorität:</b> Hoch</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please use announcement v1a (attached). Angela pointed out (thank you) that I had written “pointing” instead of “positioning” as the “P” in PNT.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sorry, Peter</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Klaus-Juergen Schulz <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>>, Sami Asmar <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">村田 眞哉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>, Jim Schier <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences]" <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>, Amber Massaquoi <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>, CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Attached are the two revised files for the Lunar Interoperability Forum that include PNT as well as comm, and otherwise clean up wording.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards, Peter</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Klaus-Juergen Schulz <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 1:54 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sami Asmar <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>,
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic";color:black">村田 眞哉</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>, Jim Schier <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>,
Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences]" <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>, Amber Massaquoi <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Sami,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Yes, please add “Position, Navigation, Timing (PNT)” spelled out in the announcement. It was an oversight on the CESG side on Tuesday.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best Regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Klaus-Juergen</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 1:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS Gothic"">村田 眞哉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>; Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>; Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>>; Klaus-Juergen Schulz <<a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int">Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter/Klaus-Juergen: Did the CESG intend for this to be limited to Communications?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I agree we should add the other keywords.
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 4:03</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>, Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Hi Sami.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Because the following theme just touches lunar
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">communications</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">,
I was wondering about lunar </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">navigation</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">.
It might be better to add keywords </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">navigation</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">
or </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">PNT</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">in the theme so that people from navigation community would be also participating without a problem.
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and means to foster development and deployment of interoperable (and secure) communications systems</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 9:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">村田 眞哉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>;
Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>; Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>; Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think is should within scope. Navigation tools and techniques must be interoperable.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 28, 2024 at 3:57</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <<a href="mailto:sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov">sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov</a>>, Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>, Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] RE: Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Hi Sami,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Thank you very much for the wonderful news.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Regarding the theme, lunar
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">navigation</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">
or </span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">“</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">PNT</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">”
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">is not within the scope of this forum?</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Yu Gothic",sans-serif">Best regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 29, 2024 8:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Schier, James (HQ-CG000) <<a href="mailto:james.schier-1@nasa.gov">james.schier-1@nasa.gov</a>>;
</span><span lang="JA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS PGothic",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:JA">村田 眞哉</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <<a href="mailto:murata.masaya@jaxa.jp">murata.masaya@jaxa.jp</a>>;
Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Peura, Angela D. (HQ-CG000)[Agile Decision Sciences] <<a href="mailto:angela.d.peura@nasa.gov">angela.d.peura@nasa.gov</a>>; Massaquoi Amber <<a href="mailto:AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com">AMassaquoi@asrcfederal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Moving forward with Lunar Interoperability Forum</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Jim and Masaya,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I wanted to let you know that the Forum will take place. We are changing it a little bit to separate from the procurement/tender process by NASA and ESA and make more a community forum for exchange
of relevant information.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">CCSDS & IOAG</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Chair:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Sami Asmar</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Theme: </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Bringing together members of the Lunar communications “community” to discuss drivers, opportunities,
and means to foster development and deployment of interoperable (and secure) communications systems</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">CCSDS objective</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">: Encourage community members to participate in CCSDS Standards activities, there are
no other data standards orgs aside from the IETF DTN</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I know JAXA will have a presentation for us. We are now preparing the agenda and getting ready to send the announcement but wanted you to know first.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim will also be one of our speakers, of course.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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