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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi </span><span lang="EN-US">Tomaso & Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I can give you the position from the IOAG… The IOAG Lunar WG has been asked (by the IOAG chair) to provide a coordinated IOAG response to this draft version. We will then apply a review on the comments to ensure that
they align (and do not contradict) with the Lunar Communications Architecture report (<a href="https://www.ioag.org/Public%20Documents/Lunar%20communications%20architecture%20study%20report%20FINAL%20v1.3.pdf">here</a>). We have also advised the working group
that they can submit their comments through the IOAG, or through their agencies… or both.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I personally think that comments (and similar comments) coming from different fronts (CCSDS, agencies, IOAG, SFCG, etc) would “carry more weight”… however, the review process within LNIS is not clear to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I would therefore agree that CESG should encourage agencies to provide comments and then submit them as CCSDS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Happy to chat through, if required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Matt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-ligatures:none;layout-grid-mode:line">Chief Technology Officer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ligatures:none"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 14, 2023 7:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cesg@mailman.ccsds.org; Asmar, Sami W (US 9100) <sami.w.asmar@jpl.nasa.gov>; Lichten, Stephen M (US 9000) <stephen.m.lichten@jpl.nasa.gov>; Matt Cosby <matt.cosby@goonhilly.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] AW: Spec for review: LunaNet V5 spec links<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Tomaso,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks for raising this issue for discussion. Version 4 of this spec has been availably publicly for some time, but it was not widely advertised, nor was project outside feedback sought. This stance seems to have shifted
to actually requesting review and feedback from a wider audience. As the web page says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#2E75B6">Any commercial and government entities that wish to submit comments, questions, or suggestions may do so using the form provided below. <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
request that these inputs be submitted before the end of November 2023</span></strong>. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This LunaNet spec is being described as the product of a joint NASA/ESA effort, but that it is intended to involve other agencies and, eventually, commercial providers. All of this is evident on the website.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You asked, specifically, how we could provide comments in a harmonized way. And, as you point out, we could do this in the context of our agencies, via CCSDS (CESG), or via the IOAG. I agree that a harmonized approach
might have the most impact, where a single, coherent, set of inputs is provided. This could be organized via the CESG, or it could be done in the context of the IOAG, via the Lunar Comm and Nav Architecture WGs or the new Security WG. Most of this is out
of my control, so I would have to defer to the CESG Chairs as to whether they want to try and coordinate a set of CCSDS inputs. I do expect to coordinate a set of inputs for the new IOAG Security WG that Daniel Fischer and I co-chair. Help with Security
was explicitly sought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">To be frank, it’s not clear to me whether a single, coordinated, input will carry more weight, or if a set of separate inputs that somehow align (or not) will carry more weight with the LunaNet team. I don’t have any
insight into how they work. If the CESG Chairs wish to coordinate a set of inputs from CCSDS I would certainly support that. IOAG inputs are a separate matter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I hope this helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:none">From:
</span></b><span lang="DE" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:none">"<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>" <<a href="mailto:Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de">Tomaso.deCola@dlr.de</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 7:36 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] AW: Spec for review: LunaNet V5 spec links<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE">HI Peter, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I see there is a call with IOAG end of October about this, although I read from the NASA webpage you provided in the previous email that comments submission should happen within November 30<sup>th</sup>. My question is
how CCSDS could provide these comments in an harmonized way, i.e. through IOAG, CESG, or in uncoordinated manner?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Tomaso<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE" style="mso-ligatures:none">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE" style="mso-ligatures:none"> CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Shames, Peter M (US 312B) via CESG<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 13. September 2023 17:25<br>
<b>An:</b> CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b> [CESG] Spec for review: LunaNet V5 spec links<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">This latest version of the LunaNet spec is out for review. We really must take advantage of this opportunity to provide feedback. Security is a known weak area (there are others). We were specifically invited to review
and comment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://urldefense.us/v3/__https:/www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/scan/engineering/lunanet_interoperability/__;!!PvBDto6Hs4WbVuu7!JGSkDsXXCZ-zTHeUoHQombYG_yqLglLt6e2ju7_3XKxH9sX1_KB5AZnKK9Om3T1zDXCaDaOFOLqZipBQWS7ASh2MZgJEbB6S$">https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/heo/scan/engineering/lunanet_interoperability/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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