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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In order to provide a complete record of this topic in one place I just updated the CESG folder for the “<a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fcesg%2Fdocs%2FCWE%20Private%2FMeetings%2F2022%2D7%20CESG%20MAL%20RID%20Disposition&FolderCTID=0x0120008F128D83E4774A40906DD60662AC3B27&View=%7B448728FC%2D9186%2D4BCF%2D80F0%2D192B39C01942%7D" title="2022-7 CESG MAL RID Disposition"><span style="text-decoration:none">2022-7
CESG MAL RID Disposition</span></a>”:<b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fcesg%2Fdocs%2FCWE%20Private%2FMeetings%2F2022%2D7%20CESG%20MAL%20RID%20Disposition&FolderCTID=0x0120008F128D83E4774A40906DD60662AC3B27&View=%7B448728FC%2D9186%2D4BCF%2D80F0%2D192B39C01942%7D">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/Forms/AllItems.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fcesg%2Fdocs%2FCWE%20Private%2FMeetings%2F2022%2D7%20CESG%20MAL%20RID%20Disposition&FolderCTID=0x0120008F128D83E4774A40906DD60662AC3B27&View=%7B448728FC%2D9186%2D4BCF%2D80F0%2D192B39C01942%7D</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It now contains all of the materials I have provided including the PPT and XLS that were presented today, and also, for the record, a copy of the original CESG vote, the marked up document I returned to the SM&C WG, and a copy of the email
trail leading to today’s Special Topic telecon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We could, if it were useful, also add copies of the other CCSDS Blue Books to which I compared the MAL BB in that Analysis document. These are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">CSS CSTS Framework PDU (CCSDS 921.1-B-2)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">SIS AMS message standard (CCSDS 735.1-B-1)<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo5">SLS Prox-1 link layer standard (CCSDS 211.0-B-6)<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These should be useful for the SM&C WG to see what a cross area sampling of other normative CCSDS Blue Books look like. Do let me know if there is anything else I need to provide.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Very best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 18, 2022 at 1:46 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Erik Barkley <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CESG <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: MAL PIDs spreadsheet <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Erik, at al,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the reminder to provide the SM&C WG PID response spreadsheet, along with my rejoinders, as reviewed. I think you will find that the PPT file, “SEA MO MAL document analysis 11Jul22” accurately summarizes the intent of my original
PIDs. There are some “further clarifications”, I added in lines 25-29 of this spreadsheet after reviewing the PIDs and responses. These are highly relevant, but did not appear in the original for reasons that I think will be clear.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Related to that, there was one additional discussion topic that briefly shows up on pg 15 of the PPT, that of the PICS pro forma, but it only gets a bullet and not a separate page. I remind you that during the meeting we did compare the
one page “PICS” in the MAL BB with parts of the comparable section in the CSS CSTS Framework, 921x1b2. I think the differences in the level of care and detail is informative.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will acknowledge, as Mehran pointed out, that many of my comments in the original text were formed as questions. These questions were intended to get the SM&C WG to think carefully about the issues that were being raised because they
were, almost uniformly, issues and concerns that could not be repaired with any simple “From: => To:” formulation. In my judgement that form of input is only really suitable for simple editorial repairs to a sentence or a paragraph.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">These issues are much broader and more pervasive than that, and I hope that has now been made crystal clear.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lastly, I wish to state with clarity what I think we all agreed to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">That all of the members of the CESG who did not vote in the formal poll, or who voted “Approve Unconditionally”, but then added comments to the effect that they agreed with my inputs,
agreed to do the following: <o:p></o:p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Review the submitted PIDs, the WG dispositions, and my rejoinders in the attached Excel file.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Review the summary analysis PPT file, “SEA MO MAL document analysis 11Jul22”, as presented.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Assess whether the statements made in this analysis are accurate when compared to the cited sections and text in the MAL BB.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Provide written feedback on their assessment of this analysis and the PIDs, preferably with some of their own supporting analysis and detail.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">That the MOIMS SM&C WG review all of these inputs, both from me and from these other Area Directors, and provide, after suitable discussion, their responses, including:
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Re-assessment of their PID responses in light of these discussions.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Assessment of the written inputs from the other Area Directors.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3">Propose their approach for remedying these issues, either by editing the document so that it remedies the issues and aligns with CCSDS Blue Book publication standards, and CCSDS BB
document norms, or by agreeing to reformat it as a normative, Magenta Book, “foundational” abstract reference model.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">That I, and preferably the other CESG Area Directors, meet with the SM&C WG to review this feedback and resolve any remaining issues.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IIn fact, I think that this is a significant enough concern that it would be ideal if all CESG members, including those who voted “Approve Unconditionally”, would participate in this process as well. Only in this way can we assess if
there really is consensus on the path forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am willing to commit to this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For the sake of all concerned, including the WG, the Area, the CESG, our member agencies, and all of our users I think it would be best to get these issues resolved.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Erik Barkley <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, July 18, 2022 at 12:24 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CESG <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>MAL PIDs spreadsheet <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Hello Peter,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">As you may recall, I volunteered to take a look at the MO MAL Agency Review CESG Poll PIDs and check them against the latest MAL document. I see the presentation, dated July 11 in the CWE for CESG,
but I do not find the spreadsheet there. Can you please either send or (probably better) post the spreadsheet? Thank you.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Best regards, <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia",serif">Erik Barkley<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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