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<p class="MsoNormal">Gippo,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In reality there is actually a pretty simple answer for that question. The request has gone out a number of times for people to participate in the SSG. The actual participating members are those who expressed an interest and who have
been willing to attend meetings and engage in email discussions. Dealing with the management and governance of the SANA is not exactly "glamorous", so I am really grateful to have whatever support has been provided by the active SSG members.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like broader participation from the other areas that are not represented, such as MOIMS, SOIS, and CSS; right now only SEA, SLS, and SIS are involved. As major participating agencies in CCSDS I would also like at least ESA and
UKSA to be represented, right now it is just NASA, CNES, DLR, and CA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we all know that smaller WGs can be more nimble than larger ones, so asking for broader involvement may just slow things down. That said, I think it would be better if all the groups that may be affected by the SANA registries
were at least aware of what is going on and participated to the extent of reviewing and contributing to the work.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Related to all of this, I do have all of the inputs to the recent SANA related polls. I will be reviewing them and providing proposed dispositions for them in the next couple of weeks. These will be reviewed with the SSG before they are
returned to the originators.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:18 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> actually I could not remember who was the SLS representative (my fault of course) and I discover - if I am not mislead - we have two.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As of now, also considering the long discussion running for 133.0-B SPP and the wider importance of SANA, I am going to include in the SLS Plenary agenda a reporting by SLS Representatives in SSG.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">However, considering that "</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">The membership of the SANA Steering Group is determined and approved by the CMC.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">" I wonder how CMC managed in appointing two SLS representatives but no one for some other areas (if I am not wrong).</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">20-02-20 21:12</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members</span>
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Thanks Gippo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I think you can see that we have a good amount of agency and Area coverage, but that not all of the Areas, nor all of the "major" agency contributors to CCSDS, are engaged. As I pointed out earlier, there is an opportunity to rectify this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 12:49 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for the hint, Peter.</span>
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I found it at </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/ssg"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/roster/ssg</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
and I copy it for other CESGers (id anybody is interested)</span> <br>
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audric.schiltknecht at viagenie.ca</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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gilles.moury at cnes.fr</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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greg.j.kazz at jpl.nasa.gov</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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info at sanaregistry.org</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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kelvin.nichols at nasa.gov</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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marc.blanchet at viagenie.ca</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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osvaldo.peinado at dlr.de</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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peter.m.shames at jpl.nasa.gov</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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thomas.gannett at tgannett.net</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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tomaso.decola at dlr.de </span><br>
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Regards</span> <br>
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Gian Paolo</span> <br>
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From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span>
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Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">19-02-20 17:09</span>
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Gippo,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Please go to the mailman.ccsds.org and explore the list directly for yourself. That is what I would have to do to get you that answer, and that is how to learn who has signed up for any of the CCSDS mailing lists.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:29 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter, I am just asking the names ad I do not remember them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gippo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Sent from my iPhone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 18. Feb 2020, at 23:33, Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Gippo,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Not sure what you are asking. All of the "role" info that there is, is spelled out in the SANA Yellow Books. Even the existing ones, separate from the updates in process, have this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What exactly are you puzzled by?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, February 17, 2020 at 5:13 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] SSG Members</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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thank you for recalling us the criteria for SSG composition (see below).</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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As I cannot recall the details (getting old? :o), I think it would you be good for everybody if you can remember us the actual composition for each role.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Thanks</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
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The membership of the SANA Steering Group consists of individuals with the following responsibilities:
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– CMC member; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– MOIMS area member; </span>
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· </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– CSS area member; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF"><br>
· </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– SOIS area member; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF"><br>
· </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– SLS area member; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF"><br>
· </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0082BF"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#0082BF">
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">– SIS area member.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Members should also be chosen to ensure agency balance. </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
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