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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21">Hi Margherita,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21">Thanks for the clarification. Given your voiced concerns and Gippo's questions I thought we might be wandering down some different path here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21">I think the handling of various Administrative Track YBs has not been an issue in the past. I am adding Tom to this because he is the actual author of a few of the key ones related to CCSDS publication rules.
I do know, from my own experience over the last 20 years, that the changes to A02y1 actually originated in a joint CMC/CESG re-organization working group and had strong CESG involvement as it was adjusted. Others have come from the CTE and had the CESG as
the review body. Others have come from the SSG and had CESG as the review body. The CESG has always been involved in the approval process, which is what the Org & Proc YB states.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="EmailStyle21">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, February 14, 2020 at 2:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Peter,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">perhaps it was not clear from my e-mail, but I have no intention to delay the Polls , by no means.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I just wanted to start a reflection on the production process of the "administrative" Yellow Books. The aim being, to provide a formal framework to review, or to contribute to the creation of, the
Yellow Books. Presently, this is entire responsibility of the book editor, formally speaking</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">All the above applies to the production of future books
<i>only</i>. Hope this clarifies.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span> <br>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#00A1E0">Margherita di Giulio</span></b>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12/02/2020 17:35</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
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Dear Margherita,<o:p></o:p></p>
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I must admit to being a little puzzled by your comments, but I agree that this is worthy of discussion. That said, I really do not want to see these edits to the Yellow Books significantly delayed because they are intended to clarify procedures for the WG
and to remove ambiguities. The longer we delay cleaning this up the more work we make for the WG and the CESG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, A02x1y4c2, the process for this sort of Administrative Track document that is normative upon CCSDS is quite clear:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">6.1.6 ADMINISTRATIVE TRACK </span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">The Administrative Track consists of the following: – CCSDS Record (Yellow Book).
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">…</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">Yellow Books may also be used to document CCSDS internal processes, procedures, and controlling guidelines. This document is itself a CCSDS Yellow Book, and it is a controlling document describing CCSDS procedures.
Any CCSDS Yellow Book that is normative upon CCSDS itself requires CESG and CMC approval polling.
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The issues that we have had with the ambiguities were brought up in the CESG meeting as part of the SEA overall report, (see attached d01-SANA-SSG). There was a separate SANA Issues presentation to the CESG that addressed in more detail the issues and the
specific changes that were in discussion (see attached "SANA-SSG-Issues & Proposal"). The CESG had some comments and they were addressed in the version of the materials I attached here. These documents were prepared by the SEA SAWG and were reviewed within
the SANA Steering Group (SSG) which includes SANA, Secretariat, and CESG members from several agencies. Several working telecons were held with the SSG, Secretariat, and the SANA Operator to make sure that the actual process and steps was properly described
so that Working groups would have no ambiguities to wrestle with.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I believe that the normal course of approval for such Administrative Track documents that are normative on CCSDS is the one that we are on. This is what we followed for the original versions of these documents and I can see no reason why these updates should
not follow the same documented process. These Yellow Books are supposed to be reviewed and approved, or not, by the CESG, and then concurred, or not, by the CMC.
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That said, I do agree that there are a number of documents in the review queue, all of which properly require the attention of the CESG. I suggest the following approach, at least for these:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1. </span>That the review period, at least for these documents, can be extended by a week.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2. </span>That a vote of "Abstain, does not affect my area" not be allowed. Every Area that uses registries will be affected by these.<o:p></o:p></p>
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I do not think that it will be helpful, nor a contribution to the smooth workings of the CCSDS, to delay this until the Spring meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Very best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of "Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 7:19 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Peter, dear CESG colleagues,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
looking at the (attached) list of Polls, I noticed the number of Yellow Books that are in the publication poll, that is, they have reached their final stage.</span>
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I was reflecting on the fact that for Yellow Books - those YB belonging to the administrative track - the normal practises foreseen for the other books are not required. Namely, it is not required to::</span>
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- create a draft project</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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- have it approved by the CMC</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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- run the Agency Review of the draft document</span> <br>
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This means, that the Yellow Books only become (formally) "visible" when they are ready for publication (or equivalently, when the ADs issues the relevant resolution).</span>
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Given the increasing importance- and number ! - of the Yellow Books, and acknowledging their key role in governing the CCSDS practises, I would like to reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books
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I mean that, there should be a sort of milestone, where assessment/review gets requested. This could involve, for instance, the ADs.</span>
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(If I remember well, this was informally done only when the Org & Proc book was established.).</span>
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For YB all we have today is that some sort of assessment can only be done during the polling process by the ADs ( by issuing PIDs). However this can't be considered a mean to review the document.
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I will bring this point to discussion, either at the next Telecon, or at the Spring Meeting.</span>
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Meanwhile, please let me know if you have comments or proposals,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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Kind regard,<br>
Margherita</span> <br>
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">05/02/2020 00:48</span>
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
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Dear CESG Members,<br>
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Seven new CESG polls have been posted to the CWE:<br>
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- CESG-P-2020-02-001 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.0-Y-3, Space Assigned Numbers Authority <br>
(SANA)—Role, Responsibilities, Policies, and Procedures Yellow Book, Issue 3)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-002 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.1-Y-2, CCSDS SANA Registry Management Policy Yellow Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-003 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.2-Y-2, Procedures for SANA Registry Specification Yellow Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-004 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
315.1-Y-1, CCSDS URN Namespace Policy (Yellow Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-005 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
500.2-G-2, Navigation Data Messages Overview (Green Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-006 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
920.0-G-1, Cross Support Transfer Service <br>
Specification Framework Concept (Green Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-007 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
660.2-G-2, XML Telemetric and Command Exchange (XTCE) (Green Book, Issue 2)<br>
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These polls can be accessed via the following link:<br>
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The closure date for these polls is 18 February 2020<br>
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