<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
thank you fro drawing my attention on the additional
drawing. So we have two drawing that can/may be affected: </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">1) CCSDS Technical
Organization @ </span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx</span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">2) CCSDS Management
Structure @ </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/about/ManagementStructure.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/about/ManagementStructure.aspx</span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Only the latter
shows SANA on the same side of the Secretariat.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I think this is
correct as SANA and Secretariat are not part of the Technical organization
to which they provide services (and indeed "The SANA provides
this key configuration management service
for CCSDS.").</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">However, as you
correctly remind us, </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/313x0y2.pdf><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/313x0y2.pdf</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
states that the SSG has "to provide to the SANA operator technical
and programmatic guidance related to ongoing operational and policy matters."</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">In such a sense
I think that while SANA does not belong to the Technical Organization,
SSG does belong to the Technical Organization.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">It is also true
that SSG is appointed by the CMC and that Membership of the SANA Steering
Group is determined and approved by the CMC but being the chair by default
the SEA AD, I would rather put it under the SEA Umbrella (i.e. showing
it in the SEA column of the CCSDS Technical Organization @
</span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
) even if I can agree that it has a special status starting from the fact
that people cannot just volunteer to be SSG members (as done for normal
WG) but the membership shall be blessed by CMC.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moreover, also
keeping in mind that SSG has a tight link to CMC, it is also true that
the input given is checked first by CESG that is called to check the technical
contents of the documents including the Annex with SANA Considerations.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I think that an
extra box in the SEA Column for the CCSDS Technical Organization
diagram would also help in creating the awareness you call for.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Further details
can be easily written in the extra tab that would be added @ </span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/sea/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/sea/default.aspx</span></a>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">My cent (after
your valuable input).</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Of course, no
problem in discussing this at the next CESG telecon.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gippo</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (US 312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>, "CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">12-02-20
18:26</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[EXTERNAL] [CESG] Why not showing SANA Steering Group on CCSDS Web Pages?</span>
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<hr noshade>
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<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Hi
Gippo,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">You
are correct that the SANA is shown on our web pages, but the SSG is not.
I think the reason for that is that we wanted to give the SANA and
the registries prominence for the users of the site. The SSG is a
steering group, much like the CESG is a steering group. The CESG
is visible on the two org / structure charts that we have, but the focus
in both is on the WG structure which is where the bulk of the work is done,
as we all know. The role of the CESG, and of the SSG, is technical
oversight. We are intended to make sure that the right sausage is
being made and that the sausage is made correctly and without flaws or
contaminants.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">The
SSG and its role is introduced in the current CCSDS A02x1y4c2, in Sec 2.3.1.4.7,
on pg 2-8. This original text dates back to April 2004 when CCSDS
was re-organized:</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">The SSG will provide oversight
of SANA operations, validate and confirm SANA operations, and be the first
level of appeal for issues. The SSG can be reached at ssg@sanaregistry.org.
</span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">The
SSG is further touched upon in the current SANA Role, Responsibilities
document, CCSDS 313x0y1, in Sec 3.7, on pg 3-3. This original text
dates back to July 2011:</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">A SANA Steering Group (SSG)
is appointed by the CMC to provide to the SANA operator technical and programmatic
guidance related to ongoing operational and policy matters. The SSG is
delegated responsibility for oversight of SANA operations, validation and
confirmation of SANA operations, and acting as the first level of appeal
for issues. </span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">A
more complete description of the SSG was documented in the Registry Management
Policy, CCSDS 313x1y1, in Sec 4.2.2 SANA Steering Group, on pg 4-1. This
original text, which references and extends the 313x0y1 text quoted above,
dates from May 2016:</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">The membership of the SANA
Steering Group is determined and approved by the CMC. </span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Calibri">…</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">The membership of the SANA
Steering Group consists of individuals with the following responsibilities:
</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
SEA AD, chair; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
SANA Operator (ex officio); </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
Secretariat (ex officio); </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
CMC member; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
MOIMS area member; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
CSS area member; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
SOIS area member; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
SLS area member; </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Symbol">·
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">–
SIS area member.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#0082bf">Members should also be
chosen to ensure agency balance. </span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
think it is pretty clear that the SSG reports to the CMC, as does the SANA
itself. We could choose to reflect that role and relationship on
the web site in a couple of different ways graphically. I have attached
draft "revised" versions of two different CCSDS website pages
as suggestions. I do not have any strong feelings about how we represent
the SSG nor even whether we do it. What is most important from my
point of view is that the CCSDS Areas, and their WG Chairs, become aware
of what we are creating as a set of inter-related registries and their
roles in keeping this as useful and coherent as possible. If updating
the CCSDS website pages serves that end I am all for it.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">On
a related note, I will point out that during the typical SSG meetings we
have had SANA Operator, Secretariat, CMC, SEA, and SLS participation. We
occasionally have had CSS present. The agencies typically represented include:
NASA, CNES, and DLR. I do not think that the other areas typically
participate at all. That is their choice, of course, but it means
that they are choosing not to exercise a role that they have been given
in steering the SANA.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
suggest that discussing this should be a topic for the next CESG telecon.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Best
regards, Peter</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo
Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 1:35 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] Why not showing SANA Steering Group on CCSDS
Web Pages?</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Dear
All,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I just noticed that the SANA Steering Group
(SSG) is not present on our CCSDS Web Pages.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
It is not present in the diagram showing the CCSDS Technical Organization
(see </span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/default.aspx</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">
)</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
SANA is mentioned on the Home Page </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>https://public.ccsds.org/default.aspx</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">
but this is not SSG.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Considering also the increasing importance of SANA in our activities, I
wonder whether SSG should be present somewhere on our CCSDS web pages.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
My cent.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Gian Paolo</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
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