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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Gippo,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I read your intent you agree that we should continue the current polling, according to the guidelines, and that you are not asking for an extension.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to your PIDs, should there be any.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 13, 2020 at 7:13 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[CESG] Reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books : [EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> for the ongoing polls (that are not affected by Margherita's proposal as far I understand from her mail) I would be against an 'a priori" extension of the review period.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In other words, let's see if anybody does such a request.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would only recommend everybody giving input via PIDs (for this and for all polls) such that the most correct interaction can be held.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I am not sure it is allowed to not allow ABSTAIN as vote :o)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">If allowed the result could be in somebody not voting.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">BTW, I do not plan to vote ABSTAIN.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For the rest I am open to listen to Margherita's considerations with respect to the (future) production steps of the Yellow Books.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M\(US 312B\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12-02-20 17:35</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Dear Margherita,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">I must admit to being a little puzzled by your comments, but I agree that this is worthy of discussion. That said, I really do not want to see these edits to the Yellow Books significantly delayed because they are intended to clarify
procedures for the WG and to remove ambiguities. The longer we delay cleaning this up the more work we make for the WG and the CESG.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">in the CCSDS Org & Proc doc, A02x1y4c2, the process for this sort of Administrative Track document that is normative upon CCSDS is quite clear:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">6.1.6 ADMINISTRATIVE TRACK </span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">The Administrative Track consists of the following: – CCSDS Record (Yellow Book).
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">…</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#0082BF">Yellow Books may also be used to document CCSDS internal processes, procedures, and controlling guidelines. This document is itself a CCSDS Yellow Book, and it is a controlling document describing CCSDS procedures.
Any CCSDS Yellow Book that is normative upon CCSDS itself requires CESG and CMC approval polling.
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">The issues that we have had with the ambiguities were brought up in the CESG meeting as part of the SEA overall report, (see attached d01-SANA-SSG). There was a separate SANA Issues presentation to the CESG that addressed in more
detail the issues and the specific changes that were in discussion (see attached "SANA-SSG-Issues & Proposal"). The CESG had some comments and they were addressed in the version of the materials I attached here. These documents were prepared by the SEA SAWG
and were reviewed within the SANA Steering Group (SSG) which includes SANA, Secretariat, and CESG members from several agencies. Several working telecons were held with the SSG, Secretariat, and the SANA Operator to make sure that the actual process and steps
was properly described so that Working groups would have no ambiguities to wrestle with.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">I believe that the normal course of approval for such Administrative Track documents that are normative on CCSDS is the one that we are on. This is what we followed for the original versions of these documents and I can see no reason
why these updates should not follow the same documented process. These Yellow Books are supposed to be reviewed and approved, or not, by the CESG, and then concurred, or not, by the CMC.
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">That said, I do agree that there are a number of documents in the review queue, all of which properly require the attention of the CESG. I suggest the following approach, at least for these:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">1. That the review period, at least for these documents, can be extended by a week.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">2. That a vote of "Abstain, does not affect my area" not be allowed. Every Area that uses registries will be affected by these.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">I do not think that it will be helpful, nor a contribution to the smooth workings of the CCSDS, to delay this until the Spring meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Very best regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><b>From: </b>CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of "Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 7:19 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] Fw: [Cesg-all] New CESG Polls<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Dear Peter, dear CESG colleagues, <br>
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looking at the (attached) list of Polls, I noticed the number of Yellow Books that are in the publication poll, that is, they have reached their final stage.</span>
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I was reflecting on the fact that for Yellow Books - those YB belonging to the administrative track - the normal practises foreseen for the other books are not required. Namely, it is not required to::</span>
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- create a draft project</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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- have it approved by the CMC</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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- run the Agency Review of the draft document</span> <br>
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This means, that the Yellow Books only become (formally) "visible" when they are ready for publication (or equivalently, when the ADs issues the relevant resolution).</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
Given the increasing importance- and number ! - of the Yellow Books, and acknowledging their key role in governing the CCSDS practises, I would like to reassess the production steps of the Yellow Books
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I mean that, there should be a sort of milestone, where assessment/review gets requested. This could involve, for instance, the ADs.</span>
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(If I remember well, this was informally done only when the Org & Proc book was established.).</span>
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For YB all we have today is that some sort of assessment can only be done during the polling process by the ADs ( by issuing PIDs). However this can't be considered a mean to review the document.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
I will bring this point to discussion, either at the next Telecon, or at the Spring Meeting.</span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
Meanwhile, please let me know if you have comments or proposals,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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Kind regard,<br>
Margherita</span> <br>
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">05/02/2020 00:48</span>
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[Cesg-all] New CESG Polls</span>
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Dear CESG Members,<br>
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Seven new CESG polls have been posted to the CWE:<br>
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- CESG-P-2020-02-001 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.0-Y-3, Space Assigned Numbers Authority <br>
(SANA)—Role, Responsibilities, Policies, and Procedures Yellow Book, Issue 3)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-002 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.1-Y-2, CCSDS SANA Registry Management Policy Yellow Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-003 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
313.2-Y-2, Procedures for SANA Registry Specification Yellow Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-004 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
315.1-Y-1, CCSDS URN Namespace Policy (Yellow Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-005 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
500.2-G-2, Navigation Data Messages Overview (Green Book, Issue 2)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-006 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
920.0-G-1, Cross Support Transfer Service <br>
Specification Framework Concept (Green Book, Issue 1)<br>
- CESG-P-2020-02-007 Approval to publish CCSDS <br>
660.2-G-2, XML Telemetric and Command Exchange (XTCE) (Green Book, Issue 2)<br>
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These polls can be accessed via the following link:<br>
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The closure date for these polls is 18 February 2020<br>
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