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<p>I understand the permissions issue with ISO. However, my angle is wouldn't it be nice to just have one universal glossary as a reference in all books? New books could reference the SANA glossary and then would only have to define terms that are not found
in the universal glossary. This would be remedied after the book is published and the terms are pulled into the universal glossary.
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<p>But, since the SANA glossary doesn't exist as a document, and if all of the ISO issues disappeared, how would it be referenced in a document? As a URL?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Howie:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The way we currently view things is that terms in the glossary are derived, along with their normative force, if any, from published CCSDS documents. So you could reference the SANA glossary, because the SANA
glossary references the normative source document, but it would seem to me to be more precise simply to reference the document.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The peculiar wrinkle in this case is that, so far, we don’t actually have permission from ISO to go far beyond fair use in borrowing terms wholesale from copyrighted ISO documents.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I personally would like to see such permission in writing before releasing the document on the CCSDS site. The situation could actually arise in which we are unable to release the document publicly—or we release
it and are then asked to take it down. If that were to happen, the terms would nevertheless have found their way into the SANA glossary, making it the only viable reference (provided ISO doesn’t know about it).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m not trying to give everyone heartburn so much as to remind Michael he’s supposed to see about getting ISO permission.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Secretariat [mailto:secretariat-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org]
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would say that's a "qualified yes". The normative documents in CCSDS are Blue and Magenta, and so the documents are authoritative. The Glossary only contains terms that are published in CCSDS documents and it includes the references
to those source documents.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The "qualified" part is that there are terms in the Glossary that were were pulled in from Green Books. As such these are not normative. So as long as you stick with terms from normative documents I think you are on safe ground.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter</p>
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<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, Erik Barkley <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Wilmot, Jonathan J. (GSFC-5820)" <Jonathan.J.Wilmot@NASA.gov><br>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">Question - in its current state, can a CCSDS document use the SANA glossary as a normative reference? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 3, 2020 1:15 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec; Space Assigned Numbers Authority; CCSDS Secretariat<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#212121">Once this document is approved those terms will be entered into / updated in the SANA Terminology registry.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#212121">That is the process and has been for years.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="color:#212121">Thanks, Peter</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">Glad to hear you agree with getting the terms into SANA. With regard to getting “it” into SANA (existing glossary and/or security terms
glossary – “it” was not quite clear to me but I assume security terms) I think that is something best initiated under the cognizance of the SE Area. I’ll be happy to “second” any motion if need be, but I think the origin for any such request has to be with
the SE Area. I am copying Peter on this email.</span><span style="color:#212121"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Georgia","serif"; color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span><span style="color:#212121"></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 31, 2020 10:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Wilmot <Jonathan.J.Wilmot@NASA.gov>; Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">I just saw your comments regarding the Information Security Glossary and I couldn’t agree with you more.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">It has always been our plan that the glossary move into SANA. Others have voiced the same opinion. However, there has been no movement. I’ve heard that the existing glossary found
on the SANA web site required the first attention since its not been reviewed or revised. Maybe you guys can initiate some movement to get it into SANA?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">FYI - The CESG has approved the revised Information Security Glossary:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">CESG E-Poll Identifier: CESG-P-2019-12-004 Approval to publish CCSDS 350.8-M-2, Information Security Glossary of Terms (Magenta Book, Issue 2) Results of CESG poll beginning 31 December
2019 and ending 29 January 2020:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121"> Abstain: 0 (0%)
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in; text-indent:.5in"><span style="color:#212121">Approve Unconditionally: 6 (100%) (Barkley, Merri, Shames, Burleigh, Moury, Wilmot)
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in; text-indent:.5in"><span style="color:#212121">Disapprove with Comment: 0 (0%)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">CONDITIONS/COMMENTS:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121"> Erik Barkley (Approve Unconditionally): A comment/question (not a condition): Seems like it would make sense to have this in SANA rather than a book -- has that been considered?
In terms of normative application the MB could still be normative in identifying SANA registry and the update/governance policy.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121"> Jonathan Wilmot (Approve</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">Unconditionally): I agree with Eric that glossaries would be better in SANA as they are living documents that will change over time. Example: where would terms from BPsec be placed?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">Total Respondents: 6</span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="color:#212121">SECRETARIAT INTERPRETATION OF RESULTS: Approved Unconditionally</span></p>
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