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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I fully concur with Gian Paolo statement and proposed correction. Introducing GFP in the CCSDS stack is an issue that
needs to be discussed and agreed between C&S, OPT, RFM and SLP WGs, GFP being a generic procedure for multiplexing PDUs from different sources/protocols into a synchronous stream.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Gilles MOURY</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>
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<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 14 novembre 2019 12:12<br>
<b>À :</b> Shames, Peter M (US 312B) <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><br>
<b>Cc :</b> CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>; Moury Gilles <Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr>; Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: Your remark on SLS: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Meeting on 25 Oct . - Draft MoM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> first of all I fail understanding how spamming the rest of CESG can help our discussion, but never mind.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Second, Margherita's sentence you comment does not state that SLP protocols need to be changed bur it rather puts accent on the impact on the "architecture stack".</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Nobody in SLS Area Plenary meeting as well as (two) CESG Meetings mentioned adding data types or anything else to Space Data Link Protocols.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Moreover, I do not "</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">invite the whole of SLS WG into this discussion</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
and this is NOT what I "</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">wish to do</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">".</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gilles and I simply reported the result of the discussion in the SLS Plenary.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Having said this, despite I think Margherita correctly captured the substance of the SLS reporting, the only correction I think would be acceptable to that sentence is the following:</span>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue">However, </span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:red">introducing
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:blue">the Generic Framing Procedure entails matters affecting architecture stack, code & synch, protocols.
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">That's all on my side and will not comment further on this as the ball is now in the field of (some) SLS WGs for proper discussion.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian Paolo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (US 312B)" <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>>,
"Gilles Moury" <<a href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</a>>, "CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12-11-19 19:16</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: Your remark on SLS: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Meeting on 25 Oct . - Draft MoM</span>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Gippo,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What is stated in inaccurate by any measure since GFP does not have anything to say about space data link protocols. The only relationship that could
possibly exist in the future would be to add another data type (or four) to the link layer protocols that GFP would formally recognize. This requires no changes to those protocols, which is, in fact, a feature of GFP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I'm not suggesting that you should not invite the whole of SLS WG into this discussion is that is what you wish to do. I am asking that we all not make
statements that are confusing and inaccurate. The whole purpose of sending out the MoM and asking for feedback is to avoid such issues.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Gian Paolo Calzolari <<a href="mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int">Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</a>><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 2:50 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov">peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><b><br>
Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>>, Gilles Moury <<a href="mailto:Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr">Gilles.Moury@cnes.fr</a>><b><br>
Subject: </b>Your remark on SLS: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Meeting on 25 Oct . - Draft MoM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
with respect to your comment in the attached snapshot, I propose to do NO update to the MoMs also to avoid another useless saga on updates to updates to updates.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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The natter will be properly discussed in SLS and this is the important message conveyed by the MoMs</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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Regards</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <br>
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Gian Paolo</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M\(US 312B\) via CESG" <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>"
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">11-11-19 20:09</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Meeting on 25 Oct . - Draft MoM</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CESG" <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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Hi Margherita, <br>
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I had a few minutes free and have provided my feedback early, for a change. <br>
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Cheers, Peter <br>
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<b>From: </b>CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a>> on behalf of "<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>" <<a href="mailto:Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</a>><b><br>
Date: </b>Monday, November 11, 2019 at 8:12 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <<a href="mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org">cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</a>><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] CESG Meeting on 25 Oct . - Draft MoM <br>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear All,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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please find attached the draft Minute of Meeting of CESG Meeting on 25th October at ESOC.</span>
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Let me have your comments by 20th November. <br>
If you edit the MoM, please use track changes.</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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Kind regards<br>
Margherita </span><br>
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