<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Dear Brian and All,</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I would like to
clarify with Andrew Herd the exact scope of his interaction with CCSDS.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">If it is about
discussion on glossaries then he may join one session of the SEA SAWG ,
 as pert Peter's e-mail.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">If instead he
wants to present "new ways of writing standards" and the like,
we may allocate some 20 (15+5) minutes to him sometimes, e.g at the end
of the technical meetings on Thursday afternoon  (to be decided).</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Given that Andrew
is an ESA person, let me first get in contact with him,  I will get
back to CESG shortly.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">--------------------------------------------------------------<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#00a1e0;font-family:Verdana"><b>Margherita
di Giulio</b></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana">Ground
Station Systems Division</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana">Backend
Software Section (OPS-GSB)</span>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Verdana"><b>European
Space Agency ESA/ESOC</b><br>
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5<br>
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany<br>
Tel: +49-6151-902779<br>
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Barkley,
Erik J\(US 3970\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Oliver
Brian (BTAS)" <brian.oliver@btas.com>, "Barkley, Erik J
(US 3970) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">19/09/2019
17:06</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] [EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"CESG"
<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia">Brian,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia">I
believe Peter is out of the office currently, returning on Monday.  I
think he is really the best person to respond to this.  </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia">-Erik</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:14pt;color:#004080;font-family:Georgia"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:</b>
CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Oliver
Brian (BTAS)<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, September 19, 2019 07:33<b><br>
To:</b> Barkley, Erik J (US 3970) via CESG <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject:</b> [CESG] Fwd: [EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible
CCSDS synergies</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">CESG,
</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">Forwarding
this on from Andrew Herd from ESA.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">Thanks!!</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">Brian</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">Begin
forwarded message:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif"><b>From:
</b></span><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif"><b>Subject:
Fw: [EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</b></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif"><b>Date:
</b>September 19, 2019 at 9:01:41 AM EDT</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif"><b>To:
</b>"CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec" <</span><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:sans-serif">></span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Can
someone from the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group advise me on how best
to proceed?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Many thanks,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Andrew</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
ESA - European Space Agency</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#00bfff;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Andrew Herd</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
TEC Knowledge Management Point of Contact</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
and Senior Standardization Engineer</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Standardization and Engineering Knowledge Management (TEC-QR)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Product Assurance and Safety Department</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
ESTEC</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Keplerlaan 1, Noordwijk, 2201 AZ, The Netherlands</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u><br>
</u></span><a href=mailto:andrew.herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u>andrew.herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana">
| </span><a href="x-msg://46/www.esa.int"><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u>www.esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
T +31 71 5656745</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#800080;font-family:Arial"><br>
----- Forwarded by Andrew Herd/estec/ESA on 19/09/2019 15:00 -----</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Andrew
Herd/estec/ESA</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
CCSDS Secretariat <</span><a href=mailto:secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
Mikko Nikulainen/estec/ESA@ESA</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">05/09/2019
09:23</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span></p>
<div align=center>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Dear Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
I have received an invite to register and I am assuming that the following
part of the proceedings relates to your proposed fora and timing for the
ECSS e-Glossary presentation and demonstration.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
<br>
</span><img src=cid:_1_1122A14C11229B7800565F91C125847A style="border:0px solid;"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
For ISO we provided a high level presentation at the plenary, and then
more detailed discussion held within the WG - maybe it would also be appropriate
to follow this type of approach?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Please then let me know how you would like to proceed.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Many thanks,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Andrew</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
ESA - European Space Agency</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#00bfff;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Andrew Herd</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
TEC Knowledge Management Point of Contact</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
and Senior Standardization Engineer</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Standardization and Engineering Knowledge Management (TEC-QR)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Product Assurance and Safety Department</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
ESTEC</b></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Keplerlaan 1, Noordwijk, 2201 AZ, The Netherlands</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u><br>
</u></span><a href=mailto:andrew.herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u>andrew.herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana">
| </span><a href="x-msg://46/www.esa.int"><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:blue;font-family:Verdana"><u>www.esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
T +31 71 5656745</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Roger.Jegou@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Roger.Jegou@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Roger.Jegou@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Roger.Jegou@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
CCSDS Secretariat <</span><a href=mailto:secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">22/06/2019
19:08</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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Subject:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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Andrew,</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
understood that what you were asking about was an ESA /ECSS workshop on
Glossaries.  I thought you meant to address this not in the context
of CCSDS, but in some ESA workshop.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">From
this email, however, it appears that you are not only wishing to address
the topic of glossaries, but you (ECSS) propose to come and tell CCSDS
how to create, write, produce, and review standards.  This is not
a topic that is suitable for the SEA Systems Engineering WG.  If you
wish to address that subject I suggest that you ask to bring it to the
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group as a whole.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Please
keep in mind that CCSDS has a nearly 40 year history of producing international
and widely accepted standards for space communications, cross support,
and interoperability.  We also have a well documented process for
doing this which works well.  Of course it could be improved, and
we have made incremental changes in it over the 20 years I have been involved
in the organization.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
have copied the CCSDS Secretariat, who operate the CCSDS document processes,
and the CCSDS Engineering Steering Group (CESG), so that they are aware
of this request.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
will entertain a discussion just on the subject of glossaries in the context
of the SEA SAWG meeting.  I may also see if I can get some of the
TC20/SC14 people who are also interested in this topic to participate at
that time, during the CCSDS working meetings.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Best
regards, Peter</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:
</b>"</span><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Friday, June 21, 2019 at 11:12 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Roger.Jegou@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Roger.Jegou@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Roger.Jegou@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Roger.Jegou@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
"</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">"
<</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:3600px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Times New Roman">Dear
Peter,<br>
<br>
Great response ... you cover all the central issues associated with glossary.<br>
<br>
However to confirm, we are currently only proposing a ECSS / CCSDS glossaries
focussed bilateral during the CCSDS fall meeting in Germany. This could
be a dedicated meeting, or simply a 30 minute presentation during your
WG activities. <br>
<br>
At this we will present (relative to glossary)<br>
A cleaner improved set of drafting rules<br>
A new way of writing standards<br>
A new process of reviewing standards<br>
An improved way of searching ECSS<br>
A more user friendly approach for users to understand terms and documents<br>
New technology based capabilities <br>
<br>
In all of these aspects we can consider how these capabilities are a way
of;<br>
Improving standardization ways of working<br>
Improving point of use support in generation of standardization documents
<br>
Allowing users to compare (and select) varying definitions for terms<br>
<br>
Our presentation aims to raise awareness of the new ECSS capabilities and
to ask which areas (if any) CCSDS sees the need for closer collaboration
<br>
<br>
When we recently presented to ISO SC14, the hosts British Standarda Institute
(BSI) were very interested from a "product development "  perspective
(so not so much a content perspective). <br>
<br>
I believe we have a relevant and interesting message and would very much
hope that this offer is of interest (and is clearly on a non committal
basis).<br>
<br>
Looking forward to hearing from you,<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from IBM Verse</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#424282;font-family:Calibri">Shames,
Peter M (312B) --- Re: [EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS
synergies --- </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<br>
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<td width=9% style="border-style:none none none none;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px;"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Calibri">From:</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span>
<td width=90% style="border-style:none none none none;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px;"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span>
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<td style="border-style:none none none none;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px;"><a href=mailto:Andrew.Herd@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Andrew.Herd@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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</span>
<td style="border-style:none none none none;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px;"><a href=mailto:Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Nicolas.Bobrinsky@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri">,
</span><a href=mailto:Roger.Jegou@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Roger.Jegou@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri">,
</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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</span>
<td style="border-style:none none none none;border-color:#000000;border-width:0px 0px 0px 0px;padding:0px 0px;"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri">Mon,
17 Jun 2019 7:59 pm</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
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[EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span></table>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear
Andrew,</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thank
you for reaching out with this information.  You are correct that
I am the Systems Engineering Area (SEA) Area Director, and in that role
that I also have cognizance over the CCSDS SANA website and the Glossary
that we maintain.  That Glossary is updated with terms that have been
specified in the various CCSDS Blue Book and Magenta Book normative standards
that we publish.  In some cases there are even definitions that were
published in an informative Green Book, especially if these provide a useful
definition that is not otherwise published elsewhere.  As the ECSS
Glossary Convenor I suspect that you also have a good understanding of
the sorts of challenges that can be encountered in trying to keep these
Glossaries up to date, and more importantly (at least in my mind) keeping
them harmonized.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I'll
be frank in pointing out that for some time now we have been trying to
steer CCSDS toward doing this rather challenging "harmonization"
task.  I had one of my JPL guys look at this a while back and we discovered
a number of inconsistencies which were pointed out to the CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group (CESG), which is made up of me and the other CCSDS ADs,
and the CESG chair and deputy.  There is an awareness now and several
of the areas are doing the work to start to sort out inconsistencies and
overlaps.  After a quick scan of your Glossary using a simple "packet"
query, </span><a href="https://ecss.nl/home/glossary/?qry=packet"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://ecss.nl/home/glossary/?qry=packet</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">,
it appears that you have some of the same issues we do, and likely from
the same sources.</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Issues
aside, I am not sure just what it is that you are suggesting.  You
have your registry of terms from ECSS documents, some of which are clearly
drawn from CCSDS documents.  We have our CCSDS Glossary.  And,
as you appear to be aware, the TC20/SC14 is also interested in a Glossary
and would like, I believe, to leverage what already exists in CCSDS, TC20/SC13.
 I do not know that the IOAG (not IAQG) has a Glossary of their own,
but they might.  I have not looked into that.   </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I
am supportive of their being a glossary of terms related to space and space
exploration.  I am also supportive of their being a suitably comprehensive,
but also flexible, reference architecture so that these terms all can be
understood relative to a common technical framework that is grounded in
an architecture.  Along these lines, have you looked at the CCSDS
Reference Architecture for Space Data Systems (RASDS), CCSDS 311.0-M-1?
 This is the architectural framework we developed years ago.  And
there is a companion pair of documents, the Space Communications Cross
Support Architecture, an ADD (Green Book) and an ARD Requirements document
(Magenta Book).  These are CCSDS 901.0-G-1 and CCSDS 901.1-M-1.  Bother
are to be found on the CCSDS website at </span><a href=https://public.ccsds.org/Publications/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://public.ccsds.org/Publications/default.aspx</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">.
 These use the RASDS framework to describe how some 90 of the CCSDS
standards may be deployed to create interoperable communications architectures.
 Does ECSS have any such reference architecture that your standards
relate to?</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Are
you proposing that CCSDS and these other organizations participate in this
ECSS (ESA) workshop in late October?  Is this to be a working meeting
or mostly presentations?  Did you want us to present our Glossary
and analyses to you, or were you proposing to only present to us?  </span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,
Peter</span></p>
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<br>
Peter Shames<br>
CCSDS Systems Engineering Area Director<br>
<br>
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, MS 301-490<br>
California Institute of Technology<br>
Pasadena, CA 91109 USA <br>
<br>
Telephone: +1 </span><a href="tel:818354-5740"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>818
354-5740</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Times New Roman">,
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Internet:  </span><a href="x-msg://46/Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>
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<br>
We must recognize the strong and undeniable influence that our language
exerts on our ways of thinking and, in fact, delimits the abstract space
in which we can formulate - give form to - our thoughts.<br>
<br>
Niklaus Wirth</span></p>
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Date: </b>Thursday, June 13, 2019 at 5:06 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames%40jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
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"</span><a href=mailto:Laurent.Marchand%40esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Laurent.Marchand@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">"
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Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] ECSS work on e-Glossary - possible CCSDS synergies</span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Dear
Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
As the ECSS Glossary TF Convenor, I have been asked by the ECSS Technical
Authority to assess your interest in recent capabilities developed relating
to e-Glossary. <br>
<br>
Some of these capabilities are already provided on the current public website
- </span><a href=http://ecss.nl/><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>ecss.nl</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">,
whilst others have yet to be released as a mobile app and as a plug-in
to Microsoft Word (release expected by July 2019).</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
We understand that as you are the Area Director -  SYSTEMS ENGINEERING
AREA (SEA), you oversee the CCSDS Glossary (and e-based Glossary).</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
There is a conference / workshop planned for late October, in Oberfaffenhoffen,
and we were asking to present to you and your colleagues these capabilities
to assess the opportunity for collaboration.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
We recently presented to IAQG and ISO SC14, and received positive feedback.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Many thanks for your consideration,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
<br>
Andrew</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
<br>
ESA - European Space Agency</b></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;color:#00bfff;font-family:Verdana"><br>
<br>
Andrew Herd</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
<br>
TEC Knowledge Management Point of Contact</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
and Senior Standardization Engineer</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
<br>
Standardization and Engineering Knowledge Management (TEC-QR)</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Product Assurance and Safety Department</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><b><br>
<br>
ESTEC</b></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:8pt;font-family:Verdana"><br>
Keplerlaan 1, Noordwijk, 2201 AZ, The Netherlands</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">
</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman"><u><br>
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