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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Mario's assessment of the value of the YB vs the value of an annex to the MoM.
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, it is even more important to get the statements about SOIS, the real time spacecraft environment, and the MOIMS, that were made during the CESG meeting in the record of that meeting. In working on the YB I am taking these as
a given. I'd prefer to have it documented as stated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Mario Merri <Mario.Merri@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 12:07 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Margherita,</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">considering the conclusions of that part of the meeting as reported in the final version of the MoM, i.e. (extracted verbatim from the MoM):</span>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">The stated purpose of the Yellow Book will now be to document this interaction between SOIS and MOIMS on-board, and not only to document the comparative
features of the MAL and EDS. PS to assess the comments to the Yellow Book provided by the MOIMS Area, and to update the Yellow Book, in the light of the 3 Cases and the current understanding about SOIS and S/C real-time environments.</span>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">The book shall then be re-assessed by CESG.</span>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Organize/schedule a telecom focused on sorting out outstanding issues (if any) and come up with an agreed upon concept that will be documented in the final
Yellow Book.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Develop one example of mapping/interfacing of one MO service to one board service. JW to propose one on board SOIS service ( e.g one instrument on a subnet,
described by EDS’s) , MOIMS and SOIS to develop the relevant mapping example.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I consider an unnecessary duplication of effort to produce the annex to the MoM. The above actions will provide more educated answers to the questions on the table than trying to document the unstructured
discussion that took place during the CESG meeting.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Regards,</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">__Mario</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, "'CCSDS CESG --'" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">03/06/2019 12:19</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Peter and All,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I have taken some time before replying, because the matter is complex.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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One one hand</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">, I stick to my statement that
<i>"The scope of the Minutes of Meeting is to record the conclusion of the discussion and the way forward ( decisions and actions). "</i></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
This holds for *any* Minute of Meeting, because the MoMs are not supposed to be a technical report about the topics addressed during the meeting</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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The MoM is an administrative and management document</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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On the other hand</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">, I understand the desire to record all the steps of the technical discussion and the key concepts, for future use.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Peter's input is valuable, but it it reflects the content of his notes taken at the meeting - I am not arguing if these are right or wrong,
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There were other opinions and contributions, from (almost all of the ) CESG members.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Conclusion</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">: the three involved parties ( Peter, Mario, Jonathan) shall write a "Complement" or Annex to the MoM, containing the steps of the discussion that contributed to the clarification
of the concepts, and that brought to the conclusions.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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The effort for doing such Annex is not major, and in any case it will constitute the basis for future technical work - so, it will be directly re-usable.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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The material already available from Peter's notes shared via previous e-mail(s) is a starting point. But this shall be either commented or concurred by Mario and Jonathan and, actually, by anybody who wish to contribute.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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I request to stick to what was truly said during the meeting, rather then diverging with any sort of arguments.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><br>
That Annex, once agreed by all authors and finalised, will be uploaded to the CWE in the same Directory where all the meeting material is.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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If that approach is fine with the a.m. involved people I will add to the MoM a "post-meeting Action" to produce the Annex.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
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Margherita di Giulio</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Ground Station Systems Division</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Backend Software Section (OPS-GSB)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <br>
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European Space Agency ESA/ESOC</span></b><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
Robert-Bosch-Str. 5<br>
D-64293 Darmstadt - Germany<br>
Tel: +49-6151-902779<br>
e-mail: Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F"><br>
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From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int>, "'CCSDS CESG --'" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">24/05/2019 20:58</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [EXTERNAL] [CESG] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
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Dear Margherita,<o:p></o:p></p>
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I believe that you did a quite good job of dealing with somewhat contentious subject matter. And I understand completely your approach. To that end, and being mindful of what you stated below:
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0082BF">"Otherwise, for the sake of fairness, all opinions and contributions by the participants to the discussion should be recorded</span><span style="color:#0082BF"> "</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I believe that there were significant statements made by both me and Mario that got left out of the discussion. As a consequence, I am asking that the MoM be amended to include these significant statements, as shown in the attached. As an example, it is clearly
the case that I spent some significant time and effort to present the history, using images from the original SOIS / MOIMS MOU, and images from other more recent materials, to demonstrate that the whole concept of hard real-time systems and software, in the
spacecraft on-board environment, had never even been acknowledged before. This is key to understanding the limitations and constraints on any software intended to operate on-board, and it figured in Mario's statement that "MOIMS never intended to develop
such real-time software."<o:p></o:p></p>
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In fairness, I would like the minutes to reflect these actual "opinions and contributions … to the discussion".<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of "Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Friday, May 24, 2019 at 9:25 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] CESG Minutes of Meeting - Final version</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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please find attached the final version of the CESG Minutes of Meeting.</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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I have included only comments that help the understanding of the text.</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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Concerning the discussion about MO services and SOIS-defined on board services, I would like to recall that it is not in the scope of the Minutes of Meeting to record each and every sentence which contributed to the brainstorming .</span>
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The scope of the Minutes of Meeting is to record the conclusion of the discussion and the way forward ( decisions and actions).
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Otherwise, for the sake of fairness, all opinions and contributions by the participants to the discussion should be recorded.</span>
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The technical discussion shall be resumed in the upcoming course of actions , and the (detailed) outcome shall become part of the
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The MoM is also available at:: </span><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:blue"><br>
</span></u><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/Meetings/2019%20Spring%20Meeting%20Mountain%20View/CESG%20Meeting%2C%2010%20May%202019/d1.0-CESG-Spring19%20Minutes%20of%20Meeting_FINAL.pdf"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/Meetings/2019%20Spring%20Meeting%20Mountain%20View/CESG%20Meeting%2C%2010%20May%202019/d1.0-CESG-Spring19%20Minutes%20of%20Meeting_FINAL.pdf</span></a>
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Kind regards,<br>
Margherita</span> <br>
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