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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Gippo,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just to be clear, the requirements for using the Framework as a part of project approval are weak at best (one mention on pg 2-14). We have complied with all of the required Charter inputs. To be fair, we did not have the existing GB
hooked up to the correct Charter and could not figure out how to make that happen. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And now … <o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The draft for the 1.07 Time Management WG Charter already contains all of the required information;<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">The reference to
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"</span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
is to an old GB for the aborted 1.xx WG we tried to initiate years ago, it is irrelevant to this WG and we need to remove it;</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">There is now a new GB Project, with dates, in the framework for the 1.07 Time Management WG;<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">There is also a future draft project for a Magenta Book that I was able to rescue from the "Purgatory" it was stuck it. Since it is "future" it has no dates nor resources. We are
not asking to start it now, nor the other, two, potential, BB projects that have been discussed. The WG will figure out what it really needs to do next once it has the GB well in hand.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">May we please now get on with this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, May 24, 2019 at 6:28 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int" <Margherita.di.Giulio@esa.int><br>
<b>Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support <techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Margherita,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> just to be clear, having attended at AMES (part of) the meeting on Monday morning, I do not see a problem with the creation of the WG, but the poll as formulated in CWE is formally incomplete.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Clause 5.5.1.1.1 of Org&Porc
</span><a href="https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/Pubs/A02x1y4c2.pdf</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> requires that "<u>Charters,
in conjunction with at least one project (see 5.5.2), shall be created for the purpose of establishing working groups</u>."</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Actually the Poll we see on web has only one attachment; i.e. the link
</span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=92"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Charters/DispForm.aspx?ID=92</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
to the CWE Charter and no attachment/link to the CWE Project that will start together with the WG.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think it is everybody's interest that the formulation of CWE polls is fully correct and therefore my recommendation is the following:</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1) Complete the project at
</span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
inserting all the missing dates</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2) in the poll at </span><a href="https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
add "</span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"
to the Reefernced Item(s) field:</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3) in the poll at </span><a href="https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://public.ccsds.org/polls/Lists/CESGP201905001/newform.aspx</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
within the QUESTION field change FROM:</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and...</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> TO:</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> CONSIDERING that: The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created
<span style="color:red">a CWE project in the </span>Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and...
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This is my last note on this subject and it is only intended to avoid delays to the creation of the WG.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gippo </span><br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gian Paolo Calzolari/esoc/ESA</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>,
CCSDS Tech Support <techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org></span> <br>
<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">22-05-19 22:43</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span> <br>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> your resolution contains the following statement:</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and that</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I see that the BoF created a charter (*)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I see that the BoF identified a WG Chair (*)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I see that the BoF identified a WG Deputy Chair (*)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I do not see that the BoF created a plan in the Management Framework (or if you prefer, I do not find a "plan" there)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Having said this, my concern is that we need to vote polls based on the information provided in the poll (and leave there all the information also for future checks)</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the current poll we have a charter, we have candidate chairs but we do not have a plan.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Can you tell us where/what that plan is?</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Actually the poll misses also a CWE project to be evaluated by CESGers together with the charter.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For this reason I guess your sentence should read</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a
<span style="color:red">draft CWE Project for a Time Management Green Book </span>
in the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and that.................</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Finally the draft project at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</span></a>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt"> should be completed with the planned schedule and attached/linked to the CESG Poll for proper evaluation by CESGers to vote.</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">I hope I clarified my concern.</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Regards</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gippo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">(*) This is visible in the draft Charter you distributed and also linked in the CESG Poll.</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int" <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>,
CCSDS Tech Support <techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org></span> <br>
<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">22-05-19 22:24</span>
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I am not at all certain what your concern is. Please see attached screen shot of the Time Management WG Charter in the CCSDS Framework.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 12:57 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Tech Support <techsupport@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Peter,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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I was quite puzzled when I saw you wrote that the BOF "</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">created a plan in the Management Framework</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">".</span>
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Then checking the framework I found a draft project on the Time Management Green Book at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispFormDraft.aspx?ID=677</span></a>
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Did you refer to the creation of the CWE Draft Project instead of "a plan"?</span>
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Thank you for clarifying</span> <br>
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Gippo</span> <br>
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From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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Cc: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">14-05-19 22:22</span>
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Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[CESG] SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management WG</span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dear CCSDS Secretariat,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Secretariat: Please submit this SEA resolution for CESG approval and forwarding to the CMC.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Summary of resolution:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Resolution 1: Initiate a poll to approve creation of the Time Management Working Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Thanks, Peter<br>
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SEA-R-2019-05-01 Initiate the poll to approve creation of the Time Management Working Group</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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The System Engineering Area,<b><br>
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CONSIDERING that:</b><br>
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The Time Management BoF has developed a draft Charter, created a plan in the Management Framework, and identified a WG chair and deputy chair, and that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Charter includes the required items and an initial set of agreed terminology, and that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The BoF has achieved consensus on these items.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">And RECOGNIZING that:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
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The CCSDS Organization and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) Sec 2.3.4 states:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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If the AD recommends acceptance of the proposal, the draft charter, project definition, and resource profile, accompanied by a CCSDS concept paper (see 6.1.3) outlining its technical scope, is forwarded to the CESG for a decision.
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> and that,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The CCSDS Organization and Processes (A02.1-Y-4 cor 2) requires that an AD shall ask the CESG and CMC to review and approve creation of the WG, and that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The SEA AD has reviewed these documents and determined that the document is ready for to be approved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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RESOLVES to request:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
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That the Secretariat prepare the necessary CESG and CMC polls for WG approval, and that</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The Secretariat initiate a poll requesting CESG and CMC approval to start this WG.
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