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<p class="MsoNormal">I support the points made by Tom and Gippo about the need for us to encourage our agencies to do a better job of reviewing documents and producing RIDs. It is really only through this sort of independent audit of the draft standards that
we have the best chance to identify issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, and being mindful of the discussion we had in the recent CESG meeting, I do believe that there was very strong support for re-evaluating the use of a RID spreadsheet as the means to submit RIDs. Several of us commented that
the first thing we all do in processing RIDs in a paper or Word or PDF form is to do the tedious cut and paste of text from that page by page form into a spredsheet. The reason for that is that a spreadsheet is just so much more convenient to work on, for
the following reasons I can think of:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">All inputs in one place<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Possible to sort all of them based on document page and section<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Easy to track which are resolved and which are open<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Useful as a checklist to make document updates once resolution is reached<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are probably others as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would strongly support using a simple spreadsheet as the input format for RIDs. I think it is trivial to create, is no more work for the reviewers than the one RID per page format, works on all platforms, and makes the whole task easier.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, May 20, 2019 at 1:18 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RID Database<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear All,</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> I confirm my opinion in keeping the simplest possible approach to favour anybody to enter RIDs: i.e. the simple text/winword form with plenty of editing possibilities.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Just based on experience the problem is not having a sophisticated tool to manage RIDs but rather to promote review among Agencies with proper processes.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In other words, more than spending time/resources in access, excel, RIDzilla,MyBestWayForDoingRIDs, RIDuberAlles, etc I would push up the issue to MC for having proper Agency feedback for reviews.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Gippo</span> <br>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">From: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Shames, Peter M \(312B\) via CESG" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">To: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Colin.Haddow@esa.int" <Colin.Haddow@esa.int>, "cesg@mailman.ccsds.org" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Date: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">17-05-19 19:37</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Subject: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Re: [CESG] [EXTERNAL] RID Database</span>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#5F5F5F">Sent by: </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>
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Hi Colin,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Umm. Not to throw too much water on this, but for those of us with Macs (most of JPL uses Macs and Mac OSX), this is not in any way functional. When I try to open it I get a message saying I need to have installed Parallels, a VM that supports Windows, and
then, of course, Windows itself, and then, of course, the whole Windows Office suite that includes Access. <o:p></o:p></p>
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That's a lot of baggage to buy and support just to submit RIDs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks for try though. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">CESG <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org> on behalf of Colin Haddow <Colin.Haddow@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Friday, May 17, 2019 at 7:37 AM<b><br>
To: </b>CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>
Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [CESG] RID Database</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear all,</span> <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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I am aware that the decision at the Mountain View Meeting with respect to the CCSDS RID database was to use an Excel based approach. However after having spent a little time on it I've uploaded an MS Access based database that could be used.
This contained 4 forms;</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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1. <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Document Details Entry Form - Used to enter the details of the document(s) under review.</span>
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2. <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Reviewer Details Entry Form - Used to enter details of the reviewer(s)</span>
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3. <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RID Entry Form - Used to enter the RID details</span>
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4. <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">RID Review Form - Used to review the RIDs</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The fields in the RID forms correspond pretty much to the existing CCSDS text based form with the addition of 2 fields, 1 for attachments and 1 to indicate which other RIDs the RID may be related
to. </span><br>
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It is also possible to produce a a Word report of the RIDs from the database using Words mail merge facility.</span>
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In the upload there are 4 files;</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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1. <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database.accdb">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database.accdb</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> -
An empty access database with the appropriate table, forms etc.</span>
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2. <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database%20Report%20Template.docx">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/CCSDS%20RID%20Database%20Report%20Template.docx</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">
- </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Word document providing the template for the mail merge report.</span>
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3. <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example.accdb">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example.accdb</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> -
An example populated database (data used to populate it comes from an old Simple Schedule Red Review + some test data)</span>
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4. <a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example%20RIDs%20Database%20Report.docx">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/docs/CWE%20Private/CCSDS%20Access%20Database%20Example/Example%20RIDs%20Database%20Report.docx</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
- An example report generated via mail merge from the example database.</span>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The above was nailed together quite quickly and I won't claim its totally bullet proof but I think it covers pretty much all that's needed.</span>
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Anyway if you're interested please take a look.</span> <br>
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Cheers for now,</span> <br>
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Colin</span> <br>
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