<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Dear Brian,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   
    I must admit that I got puzzled when becoming aware
of the existence of  the CESG-EXEC mailing list.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Indeed I do recall
CESG as well as CESG-ALL and I can access the archives at</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">1) </span><a href=https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg/</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
, and</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">2) </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg-all/"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg-all/</span></a>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">However I cannot
really recall received (or sent) mails for CESG-EXEC.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Trying to access
</span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg-exec/"><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:sans-serif">https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cesg-exec/</span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
fails with error message "</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">The
requested URL /pipermail/cesg-exec/ was not found on this server. </span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">"</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Using the link
provided by Tom (i.e. </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">
)  no CESG-EXEC list is shown (converse;y CESG-ALL is present).</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">CONCLUSION: should
we rather talk of CESG-ALL instead of CESG-EXEC?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Regards</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gippo</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Oliver,
Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]" <brian.oliver@nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Tom
Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Cc:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gian
Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int>, "CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Shames,
Peter M (JPL-312B)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory]" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">01-11-18
17:32</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
Privatize or obscure?: [CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS
Mailing List Archives</span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">All,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> 
</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">I
have just made the following Mailing List archives “public” again:</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">CMC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">CMC-EXEC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">CESG</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">CESG-EXEC</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">In the “support fog” that sometimes
occurs during Technical and Management Meeting week(s), you sometimes aim
to please quickly.  </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">For some reason, I had believed that
these 4 lists were “private” in the past, and an error had occurred;
which made the “public” again (perhaps the migration to new server in
2016).</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I’ll defer to the CESG and or CMC for
further instruction.</span>
<br>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Thanks,</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Brian
Oliver</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">CCSDS
IT Tech Support </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">On Nov 1, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Thomas Gannett
<</span><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt">>
wrote:</span>
<br>
<br><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo</u></span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">My
view on this is that there is absolutely no reason for these lists to be
private.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">They
are the product of publicly funded Agency activities and are thus in the
public domain.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">They
have been publicly viewable since 2003, and making them private now seems
more than a little silly.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">As
a practical matter, for me, checking the archives is often the only way
I can confirm an email I sent to the lists actually was delivered, since
<i>I</i> <i>never receive copies of anything I send to the lists</i>. Keeping
track of passwords to a bunch of suddenly private archives is simply outside
the scope of things I intend to deal with. So I am annoyed.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">We
work in a complex environment made up of many interconnected things, and
seemingly insignificant changes without deliberation to any single thing
will always have unforeseen consequences.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">Logothete,
L.L.C.</span>
<br><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a>
<br><a href="tel:+1%20443%20472%200805"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>+1
443 472 0805</u></span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><b>From:</b> </span><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Tahoma"><u>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">
[</span><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:blue;font-family:Tahoma"><u>mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:06 AM<b><br>
To:</b> Thomas Gannett<b><br>
Cc:</b> 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]';
'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'; 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'<b><br>
Subject:</b> Privatize or obscure?: [CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available
CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">One additional remark:
Right now the link " Click here to view archives" available at
</span><a href=https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#800080;font-family:Arial"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">
goes nowhere also fro me CESG Memeber</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Should we rather Privatize tha obscure those lists?</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Ciao</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> <br>
</span><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><br>
Gippo</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
From:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Thomas
Gannett" <</span><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"'Shames,
Peter M \(312B\)'" <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,
"'Oliver, Brian \(HQ-CG000\)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'"
<</span><a href=mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>brian.oliver@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Cc:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">'CCSDS
Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec' <</span><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">27-10-18
19:25</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Subject:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:
[CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List    
   Archives</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">
</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>
Sent by:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"CESG"
<</span><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span>
<div align=center>
<hr noshade></div>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:240px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">We
should also note that Brian’s responsiveness never goes unappreciated.
But in this case I think some discussion is needed before action is taken,
since oftentimes changes that seem simple and straightforward turn out
to have anticipated ramifications.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">Logothete,
L.L.C.</span>
<br><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">+1
443 472 0805</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Thomas
Gannett [</span><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#800080;font-family:Tahoma"><u>mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:21 PM<b><br>
To:</b> 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'; 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope
Technical Services, Inc.]'<b><br>
Cc:</b> 'CCSDS Secretariat'; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'<b><br>
Subject:</b> RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Peter:
Indeed. –Tom</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">Logothete,
L.L.C.</span>
<br><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Times New Roman"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080;font-family:Times New Roman">+1
443 472 0805</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Shames,
Peter M (312B) [</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:10pt;color:#800080;font-family:Tahoma"><u>mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma">]
<b><br>
Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:12 PM<b><br>
To:</b> Thomas Gannett; Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical
Services, Inc.]<b><br>
Cc:</b> CCSDS Secretariat; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<b><br>
Subject:</b> Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Tom,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Please note that
I did not assert any authority over visibility of these lists.  I
only raised the issue for discussion.  </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">It was Brian who
acted unilaterally to hide the lists.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">For the record, Peter</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From: </b>Tom
Gannett <</span><a href=mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Brian Oliver <</span><a href=mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>brian.oliver@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
CCSDS Secretariat <</span><a href=mailto:secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</span><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing
List Archives</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">All
this is well and good, but I fail to see any reason to make those lists
private. CCSDS is not a secret organization, the work reflected in the
archives is publicly funded and neither classified nor sensitive, and nothing
is going on in either the CESG or CMC that justifies hiding the list archives.
 Beyond that, I believe they were made public by design, and the SEA
AD has no authority over the visibility of the CESG and CMC mailing lists.</span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>
<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">If
a change like this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to have
a CMC resolution associated with it to obviate head scratching next time
someone asks why the archives are hidden from public view.</span></p>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">On Fri, Oct 26, 2018
at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]
<</span><a href=mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>brian.oliver@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">>
wrote:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">All, </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I have just made
the following Mailing List archives “private”.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CMC</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CMC-EXEC</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CESG</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CESG-EXEC</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Thanks,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Brian Oliver</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">CCSDS IT Tech Support
</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">On Oct 26, 2018,
at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">>
wrote:</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear CESG,</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">AT various times
we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS mailing lists, at least
some of them, are closed and therefore private to that group.  This
is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC discussions.  We
control who can be added to those lists and also who can post to them.
 But it appears that this "privacy" is not really the case
since the email list archives are open to being read by anyone at all.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">See the following
notice from the Sec WG.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Also, see the CMC
archives at </span><a href=https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/ target=_blank><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/</u></span></a>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I think we should
probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about this.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards, Peter</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From: </b>Howie
Weiss <</span><a href=mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"'Daniel.Fischer'" <</span><a href=mailto:Daniel.Fischer@esa.int target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Daniel.Fischer@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,
Howie Weiss <</span><a href=mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com target=_blank><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#800080;font-family:Calibri"><u>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Peter</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">I had an action item
from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the SEA closing plenary
which I now discovered when going through my notes to write up the meeting
minutes.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">The concern is with
the working group mailing list archives.  Anyone, without any authorization,
can read the archives.  As a result, we have eliminated any potential
for mailing list privacy.  The mail is not just available to the members
of the mailing list – they are available to anyone world-wide.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Here’s a screen
shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can read any of the
emails listed).</span>
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<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><image001.png></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">We believe that this
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<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Howie</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span>
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