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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>https://mailman.ccsds.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My view on this is that there is absolutely no reason for these lists to be private.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They are the product of publicly funded Agency activities and are thus in the public domain.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They have been publicly viewable since 2003, and making them private now seems more than a little silly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a practical matter, for me, checking the archives is often the only way I can confirm an email I sent to the lists actually was delivered, since <i>I</i> <i>never receive copies of anything I send to the lists</i>. Keeping track of passwords to a bunch of suddenly private archives is simply outside the scope of things I intend to deal with. So I am annoyed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We work in a complex environment made up of many interconnected things, and seemingly insignificant changes without deliberation to any single thing will always have unforeseen consequences.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Logothete, L.L.C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>+1 443 472 0805<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int [mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 01, 2018 5:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'; 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'<br><b>Subject:</b> Privatize or obscure?: [CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>One additional remark: Right now the link " Click here to view archives" available at </span><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>https://cwe.ccsds.org/cesg/default.aspx</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> goes nowhere also fro me CESG Memeber</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Should we rather Privatize tha obscure those lists?</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Ciao</span> <br><br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Gippo</span> <br><br><br><br><br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>From: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"Thomas Gannett" <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net></span> <br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>To: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"'Shames, Peter M \(312B\)'" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, "'Oliver, Brian \(HQ-CG000\)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'" <brian.oliver@nasa.gov></span> <br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Cc: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec' <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span> <br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Date: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>27-10-18 19:25</span> <br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Subject: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Re: [CESG] [Secretariat] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span> <br><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Sent by: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>"CESG" <cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'>We should also note that Brian’s responsiveness never goes unappreciated. But in this case I think some discussion is needed before action is taken, since oftentimes changes that seem simple and straightforward turn out to have anticipated ramifications.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>Logothete, L.L.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>+1 443 472 0805</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Thomas Gannett [</span><a href="mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mailto:thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>] <b><br>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 1:21 PM<b><br>To:</b> 'Shames, Peter M (312B)'; 'Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]'<b><br>Cc:</b> 'CCSDS Secretariat'; 'CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec'<b><br>Subject:</b> RE: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'>Peter: Indeed. –Tom</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>Logothete, L.L.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#004080'>+1 443 472 0805</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#004080'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Shames, Peter M (312B) [</span><a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>] <b><br>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:12 PM<b><br>To:</b> Thomas Gannett; Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]<b><br>Cc:</b> CCSDS Secretariat; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<b><br>Subject:</b> Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tom,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please note that I did not assert any authority over visibility of these lists. I only raised the issue for discussion. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>It was Brian who acted unilaterally to hide the lists.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>For the record, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><b><br>Date: </b>Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM<b><br>To: </b>Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov><b><br>Cc: </b>Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>Subject: </b>Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>All this is well and good, but I fail to see any reason to make those lists private. CCSDS is not a secret organization, the work reflected in the archives is publicly funded and neither classified nor sensitive, and nothing is going on in either the CESG or CMC that justifies hiding the list archives. Beyond that, I believe they were made public by design, and the SEA AD has no authority over the visibility of the CESG and CMC mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>If a change like this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to have a CMC resolution associated with it to obviate head scratching next time someone asks why the archives are hidden from public view.<o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.] <</span><a href="mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>brian.oliver@nasa.gov</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>All, </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I have just made the following Mailing List archives “private”.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CMC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CMC-EXEC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CESG</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CESG-EXEC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Brian Oliver</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CCSDS IT Tech Support </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</span><a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear CESG,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>AT various times we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS mailing lists, at least some of them, are closed and therefore private to that group. This is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC discussions. We control who can be added to those lists and also who can post to them. But it appears that this "privacy" is not really the case since the email list archives are open to being read by anyone at all.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>See the following notice from the Sec WG.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also, see the CMC archives at </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I think we should probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about this.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards, Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Howie Weiss <</span><a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>><b><br>Date: </b>Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM<b><br>To: </b>Peter Shames <</span><a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>><b><br>Cc: </b>"'Daniel.Fischer'" <</span><a href="mailto:Daniel.Fischer@esa.int" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>Daniel.Fischer@esa.int</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>>, Howie Weiss <</span><a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>><b><br>Subject: </b>Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Peter</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I had an action item from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the SEA closing plenary which I now discovered when going through my notes to write up the meeting minutes.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The concern is with the working group mailing list archives. Anyone, without any authorization, can read the archives. As a result, we have eliminated any potential for mailing list privacy. The mail is not just available to the members of the mailing list – they are available to anyone world-wide.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Here’s a screen shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can read any of the emails listed).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><image001.png></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>We believe that this must be fixed ASAP.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Howie</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>----------</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Howard Weiss</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>, </span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>CISSP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>PARSONS, Inc.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>7110 Samuel Morse Dr</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Suite 200</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Columbia, MD 21046</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a href="tel:443-430-8089" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>443-430-8089</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> (office)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a href="tel:443-494-9087" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>443-494-9087</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> (cell)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><a href="tel:443-430-8238" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>443-430-8238</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> (fax)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif"'>NOTICE: This email message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information, and information that is protected by, and proprietary to, Parsons Corporation, and is intended solely for the use of the addressee for the specific purpose set forth in this communication. 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