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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Peter: Indeed. –Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Logothete, L.L.C.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>thomas.gannett@tgannett.net<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>+1 443 472 0805<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Shames, Peter M (312B) [mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 27, 2018 12:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Thomas Gannett; Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.]<br><b>Cc:</b> CCSDS Secretariat; CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Tom,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please note that I did not assert any authority over visibility of these lists. I only raised the issue for discussion. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It was Brian who acted unilaterally to hide the lists.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For the record, Peter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Tom Gannett <thomas.gannett@tgannett.net><br><b>Date: </b>Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:29 AM<br><b>To: </b>Brian Oliver <brian.oliver@nasa.gov><br><b>Cc: </b>Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov>, CCSDS Secretariat <secretariat@mailman.ccsds.org>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Secretariat] [CESG] FW: Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>All this is well and good, but I fail to see any reason to make those lists private. CCSDS is not a secret organization, the work reflected in the archives is publicly funded and neither classified nor sensitive, and nothing is going on in either the CESG or CMC that justifies hiding the list archives. Beyond that, I believe they were made public by design, and the SEA AD has no authority over the visibility of the CESG and CMC mailing lists.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>If a change like this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to have a CMC resolution associated with it to obviate head scratching next time someone asks why the archives are hidden from public view.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.] <<a href="mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov" target="_blank">brian.oliver@nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>All, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I have just made the following Mailing List archives “private”.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>CMC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>CMC-EXEC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>CESG<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>CESG-EXEC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Brian Oliver<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>CCSDS IT Tech Support <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <<a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Dear CESG,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>AT various times we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS mailing lists, at least some of them, are closed and therefore private to that group. This is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC discussions. We control who can be added to those lists and also who can post to them. But it appears that this "privacy" is not really the case since the email list archives are open to being read by anyone at all.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>See the following notice from the Sec WG.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Also, see the CMC archives at<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I think we should probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Regards, Peter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>From:<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Howie Weiss <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</span></a>><br><b>Date:<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></b>Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM<br><b>To:<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</span></a>><br><b>Cc:<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></b>"'Daniel.Fischer'" <<a href="mailto:Daniel.Fischer@esa.int" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Daniel.Fischer@esa.int</span></a>>, Howie Weiss <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</span></a>><br><b>Subject:<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></b>Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Peter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I had an action item from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the SEA closing plenary which I now discovered when going through my notes to write up the meeting minutes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>The concern is with the working group mailing list archives. Anyone, without any authorization, can read the archives. As a result, we have eliminated any potential for mailing list privacy. The mail is not just available to the members of the mailing list – they are available to anyone world-wide.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Here’s a screen shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can read any of the emails listed).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><image001.png><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>We believe that this must be fixed ASAP.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Howie<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>----------<o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Howard Weiss</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>,<span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt'>CISSP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>PARSONS, Inc.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>7110 Samuel Morse Dr</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Suite 200</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Columbia, MD 21046</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><a href="tel:443-430-8089" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>443-430-8089</span></a><span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span>(office)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><a href="tel:443-494-9087" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>443-494-9087</span></a><span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span>(cell)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><a href="tel:443-430-8238" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>443-430-8238</span></a><span class=m5307268514857388077apple-converted-space> </span>(fax)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:.5in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book","sans-serif"'>NOTICE: This email message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain privileged and confidential information, and information that is protected by, and proprietary to, Parsons Corporation, and is intended solely for the use of the addressee for the specific purpose set forth in this communication. 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