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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span>All this is well and
good, but I fail to see any reason to make those lists private. CCSDS is not a
secret organization, the work reflected in the archives is publicly funded and
neither classified nor sensitive, and nothing is going on in either the CESG or
CMC that justifies hiding the list archives. Beyond that, I believe they
were made public by design, and the SEA AD has no authority over the visibility
of the CESG and CMC mailing lists.<span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><span>If a change like
this is going to be made, it needs at the very least to have a CMC resolution
associated with it to obviate head scratching next time someone asks why the
archives are hidden from public view.<span></span></span></p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Oliver, Brian (HQ-CG000)[Arctic Slope Technical Services, Inc.] <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.oliver@nasa.gov" target="_blank">brian.oliver@nasa.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I have just made the following Mailing List archives “private”.</div>
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<div>CMC</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Brian Oliver</div>
<div>CCSDS IT Tech Support </div>
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<div>On Oct 26, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Shames, Peter M (312B) <<a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" target="_blank">Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>> wrote:</div>
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Dear CESG,<u></u><u></u></div>
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AT various times we have talked about the expectation that the CCSDS mailing lists, at least some of them, are closed and therefore private to that group. This is a particular concern, I think, for the CESG and CMC discussions. We control who can be added
to those lists and also who can post to them. But it appears that this "privacy" is not really the case since the email list archives are open to being read by anyone at all.<u></u><u></u></div>
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See the following notice from the Sec WG.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Also, see the CMC archives at<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://mailman.ccsds.org/pipermail/cmc/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">https://mailman.ccsds.org/<wbr>pipermail/cmc/</a><u></u><u></u></div>
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I think we should probably suggest that the Secretariat do something about this.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Regards, Peter<u></u><u></u></div>
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<b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size:12pt">Howie Weiss <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:19 AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Peter Shames <<a href="mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"'Daniel.Fischer'" <<a href="mailto:Daniel.Fischer@esa.int" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Daniel.Fischer@esa.int</a>>, Howie Weiss <<a href="mailto:Howard.Weiss@parsons.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">Howard.Weiss@parsons.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="m_5307268514857388077Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Publicly Available CCSDS Mailing List Archives<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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Peter<u></u><u></u></div>
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I had an action item from the Security WG that I neglected to do at the SEA closing plenary which I now discovered when going through my notes to write up the meeting minutes.<u></u><u></u></div>
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The concern is with the working group mailing list archives. Anyone, without any authorization, can read the archives. As a result, we have eliminated any potential for mailing list privacy. The mail is not just available to the members of the mailing list
– they are available to anyone world-wide.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Here’s a screen shot of the CESG archive that I just viewed (and I can read any of the emails listed).<u></u><u></u></div>
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We believe that this must be fixed ASAP.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Regards<u></u><u></u></div>
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