<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Peter,</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">   

    As Dan is not a member of cesg@mailman.ccsds.org

his mail either remained to be moderated or was automatically discarded.....</span>

<br>

<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">My cent.....</span>

<br>

<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Gippo</span>

<br>

<br>

<br>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:

       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shames,

Peter M (312B)" <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:

       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">CCSDS

Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:

       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">22-10-18

16:57</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:

       </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">[CESG]

FW: [Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command & Control Message

Specification (C2MS)</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent

by:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"CESG"

<cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org></span>

<br>

<hr noshade>

<br>

<br>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear

CESG colleagues,</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">You

were emailed this on 6 Sept, but it appears to not have been delivered.

 I am re-sending it for your information.</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards,

Peter</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><b>From:

</b>Dan Smith <danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><b><br>

Date: </b>Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 10:48 AM<b><br>

To: </b>Mario Merri <Mario.Merri@esa.int>, Peter Shames <Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>

Cc: Brigitte Behal <brigitte.behal@cnes.fr>, Erik Barkley <Erik.J.Barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>,

James Afarin <james.afarin@nasa.gov>, Michael McKay <Michael.McKay@esa.int>,

Sam Cooper <sam@brightascension.com>, CCSDS Engineering Steering

Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><b><br>

Subject: </b>RE: [Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command &

Control Message Specification (C2MS)</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Mario,</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">You

note that you did not receive any comments on the TN.  That is not

a fair statement.</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">I

sent you my general comment and also let you know that I had prepared a

full response for discussion at the CESG meeting.  I gave my full

response to the NASA CESG members and I never got a request from you for

a copy.  Instead of holding it for the CESG meeting, I have attached

my comments to this email.</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Clearly,

there are more unresolved issues that just the two you mention below.</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri">Dan</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>=========================</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b><i>Dan

Smith</i></b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>NASA/GSFC</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>Code

580</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>Bldg

23, Room E443</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>8800

Greenbelt Road</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>Greenbelt,

MD  20771</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b>301-286-2230</b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><a href=mailto:Dan.Smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#0082bf;font-family:Calibri"><b><u>Dan.Smith@nasa.gov</u></b></span></a></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b> </b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"><b><i>Believe

the science.  There are no “alternative facts”.</i></b></span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#004080;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:</b>

Mario.Merri@esa.int [</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int</span></a><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">]

<b><br>

Sent:</b> Thursday, September 06, 2018 12:49 PM<b><br>

To:</b> Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory] <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>

Cc:</b> brigitte.behal@cnes.fr; Smith, Danford S. (GSFC-5800) <danford.s.smith@nasa.gov>;

Barkley, Erik J (JPL-3970)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory] <erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov>;

Afarin, James (HQ-CG000) <james.afarin@nasa.gov>; Michael.McKay@esa.int;

Sam Cooper <sam@brightascension.com>; cesg@mailman.ccsds.org<b><br>

Subject:</b> Re: [Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command &

Control Message Specification (C2MS)</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Dear

Peter,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

following yesterday CESG webex and for the sake of clarity, I would like

to report on the conclusions of the discussion on the email below that

was caused by some misunderstanding of yours:</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

1. It was confirmed that I received an action from the CESG to request

the production of the TN. This is documented in the approved CESG MoM of

Gaithersburg.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

2. I have NOT distributed the TN to the OMG, but only to the SM&C WG

and to the CESG requesting comments by 31Aug (no comment received). Margherita

forwarded the TN to the CMC for information.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

This clarifies the matter. What is still unresolved are: </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"><br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

1. the non-consensus within the SM&C WG</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

2. the fact that OMG has ignored the head up for potential overlapping.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

The agreed way forward will be reported in the CESG Webex MoM.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

Regards,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

__Mario</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

<br>

<br>

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

From:        <span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Shames,

Peter M (312B)" <</span><a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"

<</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Smith, Danford S. (GSFC-5800)" <</span><a href=mailto:danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>danford.s.smith@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Cc:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:brigitte.behal@cnes.fr><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>brigitte.behal@cnes.fr</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"

<</span><a href=mailto:brigitte.behal@cnes.fr><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>brigitte.behal@cnes.fr</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Barkley, Erik J (3970)" <</span><a href=mailto:Erik.J.Barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Erik.J.Barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <</span><a href=mailto:james.afarin@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>james.afarin@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

Sam Cooper <<a href=mailto:sam@brightascension.com><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">sam@brightascension.com</a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"</span><a href=mailto:Michael.McKay@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Michael.McKay@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"

<</span><a href=mailto:Michael.McKay@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Michael.McKay@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">04/09/2018

22:02</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Subject:        <span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">Re:

[Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command & Control Message Specification

(C2MS)</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman">

</span></p>

<div align=center>

<hr noshade></div>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:240px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Times New Roman"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Dear

Mario,</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">It's

strange, but different people seem to have quite different memories of

what happened during that CESG meeting.  My notes, written during

the meeting, say this:</span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;color:#ff1f10;font-family:Calibri"><b><i>Mario

raises issue of “overlap” between the SM&C MAL and the new OMG C2MS

(GMSEC), suggests an analysis paper is needed.  Discussed in CESG,

but no explicit request for resolution or vote in support.  Mario

just says “I’m doing this."</i></b></span></p>

<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">So,

according to my notes, and my own recollections, there was no "request

by the CESG" that you do this.  Nor was there even a voice vote

or raising of the hands to indicate that the CESG was in agreement.  You

did not ask for this, you just announced that you were doing it.  This

is not behavior that is consistent with how we normally carry out our business,

and I really must object to you trying to re-write history to suggest otherwise.</span></p>

<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style=";margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">The

fact that you subsequently went ahead and sent this to the OMG with a statement

that it was a CCSDS position is also behavior that is out of the norm.

 There was no CESG nor CCSDS agreement to take this position, this

was your fabrication.  If that biased position paper had been submitted

to OMG as an agency, or even multi-agency, position that would be fine.

 But describing it as a CCDS position, and proposing that we break

our liaison relationship with OMG because you did not like their handling

of this, is also outside the norm of how we do business.</span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">So

in this case I would say that many of the issues having to do with faults

in "</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">nominally

agreed processes between CCSDS and OMG for identifying and openly discussing

overlapping standards" </span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">must

lie at your doorstep and cannot be blamed on the OMG.  Nor is it accurate

to state that this was a result of a CESG request or concensus.  It

was not.</span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">Regards,

Peter</span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span></p>

<p style="ä*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri"><b>From:

</b>Mario Merri <</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>

Date: </b>Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 12:32 AM<b><br>

To: </b>Dan Smith <</span><a href=mailto:danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>danford.s.smith@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>

Cc: Brigitte Behal <<a href=mailto:brigitte.behal@cnes.fr><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">brigitte.behal@cnes.fr</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

Erik Barkley <<a href=mailto:Erik.J.Barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">Erik.J.Barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

James Afarin <<a href=mailto:james.afarin@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">james.afarin@nasa.gov</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

Peter Shames <<a href=mailto:Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">Peter.M.Shames@jpl.nasa.gov</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

Sam Cooper <<a href=mailto:sam@brightascension.com><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">sam@brightascension.com</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

CESG <<a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri">cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">>,

Michael McKay <</span><a href=mailto:Michael.McKay@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Calibri"><u>Michael.McKay@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri">><b><br>

Subject: </b>RE: [Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command &

Control Message Specification (C2MS)</span></p>

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<p style="¼³■¢³■*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Dear

Dan,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

I recall that this technical note had been requested by the CESG at the

last meeting in Gaithersburg after my presentation of the report prepared

by the SM&C WG that indicated that 3 agencies believed that, after

the WG discussion that took place at the last technical meeting, there

is a substantial overlapping between work of the WG and the C2MS proposal

submission to OMG. This is clearly an indication of non-consensus in the

WG which needs to be explicitly raised to the CESG for resolution. As you

correctly pointed out, any agency can decide to use whatever system they

prefer, but here we are discussing standards and in this occasion the nominally

agreed processes between CCSDS and OMG for identifying and openly discussing

overlapping standards have not worked.</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

Regards,</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

__Mario</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> <br>

<br>

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

From:        <span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"Smith,

Danford S. (GSFC-5800)" <</span><a href=mailto:danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>danford.s.smith@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

To:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"

<</span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Cc:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"</span><a href=mailto:brigitte.behal@cnes.fr><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>brigitte.behal@cnes.fr</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">"

<</span><a href=mailto:brigitte.behal@cnes.fr><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>brigitte.behal@cnes.fr</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

Sam Cooper <<a href=mailto:sam@brightascension.com><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial">sam@brightascension.com</a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Afarin, James (HQ-CG000)" <</span><a href=mailto:james.afarin@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>james.afarin@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Shames, Peter M (JPL-312B)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory]" <</span><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Barkley, Erik J (JPL-3970)[Jet Propulsion Laboratory]" <</span><a href=mailto:erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>erik.j.barkley@jpl.nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">>,

"Smith, Danford S. (GSFC-5800)" <</span><a href=mailto:danford.s.smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>danford.s.smith@nasa.gov</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">></span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">

</span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Date:        </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">28/08/2018

14:29</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri"> </span><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:Arial"><br>

Subject:        <span style=" font-size:9pt;font-family:Arial">RE:

[Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command & Control Message  

     Specification (C2MS)</span><span style=" font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri">

</span></p>

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<p style="¼³■¢³■*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">Mario,</span></p>

<p style="¼³■¢³■*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span></p>

<p style="¼³■¢³■*û;margin-Bottom:0px"><span style=" font-size:12pt">I

think it is important that every space agency ground system group stay

up to date on what is going on in their industry, so I am glad to see that

CNES and DLR have compared MO and C2MS.  Other than a courtesy between

agencies, I don’t see why the report needs to be shared within agencies

and clearly, there is no reason we should give it to the OMG.   Each

agency can make its own determination of the merits of different approaches

and the validity of claims made in different reports and their own studies.

 Although I disagree with how the report was written, its characterization

of capabilities and limitations of different systems, and the overall tone,

it is not my place to critique work performed outside of the CCSDS WG that

I chair unless it is becoming part of a CCSDS position or will be delivered

on behalf of CCSDS – neither of which should occur in this case.  If

CNES or DLR or ESA wanted correct or clarifying information on C2MS or

on GMSEC, they could have contacted either the OMG or NASA, and neither

was done.  It was not clear that the whitepaper was making any recommendations

regarding the OMG and it is clearly outside of the OMG policies for submitting

comments in a timely manner, so I suggest that the paper be distributed

between agencies at the discretion of the authors and then the action (if

there was one) can be closed.</span></p>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">I have submitted a more technical and

process-oriented response to the NASA CESG members to support discussions

on the topic at the next CESG meeting.</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt">Dan</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>=========================</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080"><b><i>Dan Smith</i></b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>NASA/GSFC</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>Code 580</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>Bldg 23, Room E443</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>8800 Greenbelt Road</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>Greenbelt, MD  20771</b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b>301-286-2230</b></span>

<br><a href=mailto:Dan.Smith@nasa.gov><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#0082bf"><b><u>Dan.Smith@nasa.gov</u></b></span></a>

<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080"><b> </b></span>

<span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#004080">Believe the science.

 There are no “alternative facts”.</i></b></span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:#004080"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b>From:</b> MOIMS-SC [</span><a href="mailto:moims-sc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>mailto:moims-sc-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt">]

<b>On Behalf Of </b></span><a href=mailto:Mario.Merri@esa.int><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>Mario.Merri@esa.int</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><br>

Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 01, 2018 3:56 AM<b><br>

To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:moims-sc@mailman.ccsds.org"><span style=" font-size:12pt;color:blue"><u>moims-sc@mailman.ccsds.org</u></span></a><span style=" font-size:12pt"><b><br>

Subject:</b> [Moims-sc] CCSDS-OMG Liaison: Satellite Command & Control

Message Specification (C2MS)</span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>

<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Dear SM&C WG,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

As per CESG Action Item from the Gaithersburg meeting, please find enclosed

the Technical Note describing the overlap between the CCSDS MO Services

and the OMG (proposed) C2MS. The TN has been produced by the active members

of the SM&C WG (except for NASA) under DLR leadership and it is fully

supported by CNES and ESA. The TN has been distributed to the CESG. Since

it relates to the SM&C WG, we would like to share it also with the

WG. Please provide any comment you may have before 31Aug18.</span><span style=" font-size:12pt">

</span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

Best regards,</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial"><br>

<br>

Brigitte & Mario</span><span style=" font-size:12pt"> </span>

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