<font size=2 face="sans-serif">Peter,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif"> No
way we can agree on this item.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Gian Paolo</font>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">From:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Shames, Peter
M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">To:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Cc:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Bernard L. Edwards"
<Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, "CCSDS CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>,
"Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, "Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)"
<kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"
<Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"
<Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, "Nestor.Peccia@esa.int" <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>,
"Tai, Wallace S (9000)" <wallace.s.tai@jpl.nasa.gov></font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Date:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">06/09/2017 17:31</font>
<br><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif">Subject:
</font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [CESG] CESG
polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font>
<br>
<hr noshade>
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<br>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Gippo,</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Rules is rules. To quote from CCSDS
Organization and Processes, Sec B1.2, pg b-2-3:</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><b>B1.2 RECOMMENDED STANDARD BRANCH </b></font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Documents on the Recommended Standard branch
of the Normative Track are as follows: a) CCSDS Proposed Draft Recommended
Standard (White Book) </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">…</font>
<br><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><b><i>A Proposed Draft Recommended
Standard should have no known technical omissions with respect to the requirements
placed upon it.</i></b></font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> However, this
requirement may be waived by the CESG to allow a specification to advance
to the Proposed Draft Recommended Standard state when it is considered
to be useful and necessary (and timely) even with known technical omissions.
</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">The document itself says that it is incomplete.
And there can be no great urgency in publishing it as is, or without
the inclusion of a VCM approach that works for all CCSDS codes and modulations,
because the SCCC and DVB, with their different, existing, closed, approaches,
are already published.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">I am really puzzled by some of your statements.
This is not about penalizing someone, or some group; nor about one
agency vs another. This is about the quality of CCSDS documents and
our roles, as WG chairs and Area Directors in ensuring the quality of those
documents. It is a poor enough situation that this incomplete document
has taken up this much CESG time. I would in no way support also
wasting agency time in reviewing a document that is stated to be incomplete.
That violates our principles and is a waste of resources.</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri">Best regards, Peter</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b>From: </b>Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 10:58 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Bernie Edwards <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering
Steering Group - CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, Dennis K Lee
<dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"
<Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Peter,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
no way I can agree with you on this.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
The document is complete as it captures what is available today.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
As you can see at </font><a href="https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32"><font size=2 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>https://cwe.ccsds.org/fm/Lists/Projects/DispForm.aspx?ID=398&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fcwe%2Eccsds%2Eorg%2Ffm%2FLists%2FCharters%2FDispForm%2Easpx%3FID%3D32</u></font></a><font size=2 face="sans-serif">
for the Description of Document: " This
Magenta Book defines normative, controlling guidance for the implementation
of Variable Code and Modulation (VCM) systems using coding and modulation
schemes standardized in CCSDS." and therefore the contents match the
target.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
You simply penalise the complete WG because an Agency is late (surely for
good reasons) in contributing to other books.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
And remember that the poll was for agency review and not for publication,
so that agency would have had the opportunity for advancing the work e.d.
at this fall meeting (even if they did not succeed from the project approval
in March 2014)</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Regards</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Gippo</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
<br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
From: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Shames,
Peter M (312B)" <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int"
<Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Cc: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"Nestor.Peccia@esa.int"
<Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int" <Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>,
"Andrews, Kenneth S (332B)" <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
"Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int" <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>,
"Bernard L. Edwards" <Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, "CCSDS
CESG --" <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, "Lee, Dennis K (332G)" <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/09/2017
23:57</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re:
[CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font>
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<hr noshade></div>
<br><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Gippo,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Putting forward documents that are clearly incomplete, and even say so,
is a waste of all of our time. If you wish to believe that I am "the
bad guy" and reject this, that's fine. </font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
But please, all of you who had a roll in sending this forward in an incomplete
state are really the ones who bear the responsibility for this problem,
not me.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Regards, Peter</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b><br>
From: </b>Gian Paolo Calzolari <Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM<b><br>
To: </b>Peter Shames <peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Cc: </b>Nestor Peccia <Nestor.Peccia@esa.int>, "Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int"
<Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int>, Kenneth Andrews <kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int>, Bernie Edwards
<Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov>, CCSDS Engineering Steering Group -
CESG Exec <cesg@mailman.ccsds.org>, "Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int"
<Enrico.Vassallo@esa.int>, Dennis K Lee <dennis.k.lee@jpl.nasa.gov><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Not at all. <br>
Putting conditions that cannot be accomplished means rejecting the poll.
<br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Gian Paolo<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
<br>
On 5. Sep 2017, at 23:29, Shames, Peter M (312B) <</font><a href=mailto:peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=2 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>peter.m.shames@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">>
wrote:</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Gippo, et al,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Just to be entirely clear. My condition was to ask that the document
meet the terms and maturity status required of all documents to be sent
out for agency review. I did not "REJECT" it, I asked that
it be completed, as required.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Dear Massimo,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Since the document itself says "</font><font size=2 color=red face="Calibri"><b><i>For
systems compliant with CCSDS 131.0-B-2 further work is needed</i></b></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">.
" I think it is clear that the WG understands that the document is
not yet complete. I think it wisest to use the available time and
effort to remedy that, and when it is complete, and at an adequate level
of maturity, it should then be proposed again for agency review.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Best regards, Peter</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
It is up to the WG to meet the usual maturity conditions such that the
document does not include statements like that. I think the correct
characterization is that the WG chose to WITHDRAW the document because
it is not mature, and they could not remedy that in time, and not that
it was rejected. <br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
Best regards, Peter</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=3 face="Calibri"><b><br>
From: </b>CESG <</font><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>
on behalf of Gian Paolo Calzolari <</font><a href=mailto:Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Gian.Paolo.Calzolari@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Date: </b>Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM<b><br>
To: </b>Nestor Peccia <</font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Cc: </b>"</font><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">"
<</font><a href=mailto:Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Massimo.Bertinelli@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Kenneth Andrews <</font><a href=mailto:kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>kenneth.s.andrews@jpl.nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Klaus-Juergen Schulz <</font><a href="mailto:Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int"><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Klaus-Juergen.Schulz@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
Bernie Edwards <</font><a href=mailto:Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>Bernard.L.Edwards@nasa.gov</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">>,
CCSDS Engineering Steering Group - CESG Exec <</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=3 color=blue face="Calibri"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=3 face="Calibri">><b><br>
Subject: </b>Re: [CESG] CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"><br>
</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
Nestor,</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
For the SLS VCM Protocol RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif">it has been clarified that the SEA
Condition was actually a REJECT.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
SLS disagreement was expressed in mail dated </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">08/08/2017
14:30</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
For SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif">the WG is working on replies to the
conditions.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Regards</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Gian Paolo</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
PS The relevant WG chairs are copied here for information with the request
to not do reply to all.</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> <br>
<br>
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
From: </font><a href=mailto:Nestor.Peccia@esa.int><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>Nestor.Peccia@esa.int</u></font></a><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
To: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CESG
-- CCSDS-Engineering Steering Group \(</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">\)
\(</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">\)"
<</font><a href=mailto:cesg@mailman.ccsds.org><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Date: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">05/09/2017
11:12</font><font size=2 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Subject: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[CESG]
CESG polls stucked with ADs/DADs conditions</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=1 color=#5f5f5f face="sans-serif"><br>
Sent by: </font><font size=1 face="sans-serif">"CESG"
<</font><a href="mailto:cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org"><font size=1 color=blue face="sans-serif"><u>cesg-bounces@mailman.ccsds.org</u></font></a><font size=1 face="sans-serif">></font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
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<br>
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
Dear all,</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
There are 6 CESG closed polls with "not yet solved" conditions.
The 6 polls are on documents to be issued for Agency Review.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
i.e.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
1. SLS VCM Protocol RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
2. SLS Optical Comm Physical Layer RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
3. CSS Guidelines for spec of CSTS RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
4. MOIMS MO MAL Binding to ZMTP transport</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
5. MOIMS MO Data Product bDistribution RB</font><font size=3 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
6. MOIMS MO Common Services RB</font><font size=2 face="Calibri">
</font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
It means that we have missed the opportunity to discuss the potential RIDs
at the F17 meeting in Netherlands.</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
<br>
ciao</font><font size=3 face="Calibri"> </font><font size=2 face="sans-serif"><br>
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